Finding the surface charge density

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the surface charge density of a cylindrical wire given its diameter and the number of excess electrons per unit length. The original poster attempts to apply the formula for charge density but arrives at a different value than expected.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the surface area calculation for the cylindrical wire and question the appropriate dimensions to use, particularly regarding the height of the cylinder. There is also a focus on understanding why only the outer surface area is considered for the charge density calculation.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the surface area calculation and clarified the reasoning behind excluding the end pieces of the wire. There is an acknowledgment of confusion regarding the dimensions used in the calculations, but productive dialogue is ongoing.

Contextual Notes

The problem specifies a certain number of excess electrons per centimeter, which influences the interpretation of charge distribution along the wire. Participants are exploring the implications of this information on their calculations.

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Homework Statement


A 1.0-mm-diameter wire has 1000 excess electrons per centimeter of length. What is the surface charge density?


Homework Equations


[tex]\eta[/tex] = Q/A


The Attempt at a Solution


[tex]\eta[/tex] = (100000 * 1.6*10^-19)/([tex]\pi[/tex] * (5*10^-4)2)
But that gets me 2.037 * 10^-8 C/m^2

The answer is 5.1 * 10^-12 C/m^2

Any ideas?
 
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What's the surface area (not the cross-sectional area) of that section of wire?
 
Okay, well I'm guessing that this wire is of cylindrical form...
SA = 2pir^2 + 2pirh

the problem is with the height. you might suppose part of that is the diameter...but it's really not. so, I'm still unsure.
 
jheld said:
Okay, well I'm guessing that this wire is of cylindrical form...
SA = 2pir^2 + 2pirh
Don't include the circular end pieces, just the outer surface.

the problem is with the height. you might suppose part of that is the diameter...but it's really not. so, I'm still unsure.
The height corresponds to the length.
 
Okay.
eta = 10 * 1.6*10^-19 C/(2pi * (5 * 10^-4 m) * (10^-3 m)) = 5.1 * 10^-12 C/m^2
That's the right answer :)
But, I'm a little confused as to why I only take the area of the outer surface and not the end pieces as well? Is that because I'm only concerned with one "portion" of the wire, and I'm therefore only calculating a piece and not the whole thing?
 
Note that you're given the charge per centimeter, which only sits on the outside of the wire. Think of the wire as being very long and that you are just looking at a typical one cm section somewhere in the middle. The "ends" of that section have no charge--only the outside counts. Make sense?
 
Yeah, thanks that really helped. Thanks for the help :)
 

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