Variable induced surface charge density on a sphere

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the induced surface charge density on a sphere in the context of electrostatics, particularly focusing on the potential due to a dipole and the relationship between surface charge density and electric field.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between the induced surface charge density and the electric field, with references to the potential due to a dipole. There are attempts to derive expressions for the electric field at the surface of the sphere and to clarify the conditions under which certain potential expressions are valid.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing hints and exploring various interpretations of the potential and electric field relationships. Some participants express uncertainty about the validity of certain potential expressions near the sphere, while others assert their correctness based on standard derivations.

Contextual Notes

There are mentions of specific conditions such as the assumption of large distances (r >> a) and the implications of this on the potential and induced charges. Participants also question the notation used in the problem statement and the assumptions regarding the behavior of the electric field near the sphere's surface.

Apashanka
Messages
427
Reaction score
15

Homework Statement


IMG_20190114_192614.jpg


Homework Equations


While solving this problem at r >>a ,the corresponding potential due to the dipole is kpcosθ/r2(potential due a dipole) where k is the electrostatic constt. ...(1)

If σ(θ) is the surface charge density induced due to external electric field.
then the dipoel moment of the configuration is 2π∫σ(θ)a3sinθ cosθ dθ from 0 to π...(2)
Now comparing (1) with the right most term of potential given in question the dipole moment is p=4πε0a3
And comparing this with (2)
0=∫σ(θ)sin2θdθ from 0 to π.
Now the charge density at 30° is to be calculated .
will anyone please help me in sort out this.as I got stuck here.

The Attempt at a Solution

 

Attachments

  • IMG_20190114_192614.jpg
    IMG_20190114_192614.jpg
    32.1 KB · Views: 2,077
Physics news on Phys.org
My hint would be to recall the relationship between σ and the electric field E for conductors in electrostatic equilibrium.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Delta2
TSny said:
My hint would be to recall the relationship between σ and the electric field E for conductors in electrostatic equilibrium.
Yes that E=σ(θ)/ε0 near the conductor and kpcosθ/r2 far away from conductor where p is the dipole moment.
But then how to proceed??
Very near to the conductor surface is σ(θ)/ε0 radially and E0 along k
 
Last edited:
Apashanka said:
Yes that E=σ(θ)/ε0
Good. Find E at the surface of the sphere from the expression for ##\phi(r, θ)## that is given.
 
TSny said:
Good. Find E at the surface of the sphere from the expression for ##\phi(r, θ)## that is given.
But this potential is valid only for large distances ,that's why the induced charges on the sphere is considered to be dipole and hence the potential is due to a dipole,but for distances near the sphere the potential will not be the same.
 
Apashanka said:
But this potential is valid only for large distances
I believe it's correct for any point outside or on the sphere. I checked a couple of standard textbooks.
 
TSny said:
I believe it's correct for any point outside or on the sphere. I checked a couple of standard textbooks.
But it's given in the question that for r>> and also the potential form is coming to be same which is due to external field and dipole polarisation of the sphere (∝1/r2),
Near the sphere the there will not be any 1/r2 potential dependence.
 
Last edited:
Apashanka said:
But it's given in the question that for r>>a

I wasn't sure how to interpret the notation
upload_2019-1-15_0-14-50.png
. I'm not familiar with the symbol between the ##r## and the ##a##.

But, I still claim that the expression as given holds everywhere outside the sphere, including very near the surface and even on the surface of the sphere.

In the standard derivation, you use the boundary condition for very large ##r## in order to eliminate some of the terms in the infinite series expansion of ##\phi(r, \theta)##. But, the fact that you use a boundary condition for ##r \gg a## doesn't imply that the solution only holds for ##r \gg a##. Maybe this is not what you were thinking, but I am wondering why you feel that the given expression for ##\phi(r, \theta)## only holds for ##r \gg a##.

and also the potential form is coming to be same which is due to external field and dipole polarisation of the sphere(∝1/r2)
Near the sphere the there will not be any 1/r2 potential dependence.
What is the reason for stating this? The field outside the sphere due to the induced surface charge will be exactly like that of a dipole located at the center of the sphere.
 

Attachments

  • upload_2019-1-15_0-14-50.png
    upload_2019-1-15_0-14-50.png
    573 bytes · Views: 440
TSny said:
Good. Find E at the surface of the sphere from the expression for ##\phi(r, θ)## that is given.
Yes at the surface the electric field is 3kpcosθ/a3=σ(θ)/ε0
where k is the electrostatic constt.
and dipole moment p=4πε0a3E0
I got it now.
Thank you very much
 
  • #10
OK. Good work.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 18 ·
Replies
18
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
Replies
4
Views
1K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
13K
Replies
5
Views
5K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
4K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K