Finding the torque on a wire between two poles

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The problem involves a rectangular wire suspended in a uniform magnetic field, with the goal of finding the maximum torque acting on the wire. The context includes the dimensions of the wire and the strength of the magnetic field, but lacks information about the current flowing through the wire.

Discussion Character

  • Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between torque and current, with one noting the need for a current to calculate torque. There is consideration of expressing the torque in terms of the current, while questioning the implications of the absence of current.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring the implications of the missing current in the problem statement. Some suggest providing an answer in terms of the current while acknowledging that without current, there is no torque. There is a recognition of the need to include units in the final answer.

Contextual Notes

One participant mentions that this is a paper homework assignment, which may influence how the answer is presented. There is a concern about the expectations for numerical answers despite the missing information.

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Homework Statement


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A rectangular wire of length 3 cm and width 2 cm is suspended vertically between two poles producing a uniform field of 2 T. Calculate the maximum torque acting on the wire.

Homework Equations



Torque = AIB sin(Θ)
Maximum torque is when sin(Θ) = 1, so Maximum Torque = AIB

The Attempt at a Solution



Tmax = AIB

Tmax = I(0.03)(0.02)(2)

Tmax = 0.0012 I

Using the formula from the notes I feel like I can find the maximum torque in terms of the current I. Is there a way to obtain the torque without the current? I believe there is information missing in the question. All similar questions found on google or in the book always either give the current or give enough information to derive it. I haven't found a single such question without the current...
 
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Without a current, there is no magnetic moment of the loop and therefore no torque. You need a number for the current to find a number for the torque.
 
Thanks for the reply.

I think I'm just going to try the safe side and give the answer in terms of I but add a that if there is no current then there is no torque?
 
LuigiAM said:
I think I'm just going to try the safe side and give the answer in terms of I but add a that if there is no current then there is no torque?
Is this part of an online homework set of problems graded by some algorithm? If so, a numerical answer might be expected while the omission is in the statement of the problem. You may wish to ask your instructor. Otherwise, leaving the answer as τmax = 0.0012 I (I in Amp, τ in N⋅m) should be good enough. The units in parentheses are needed because you have a mix of numbers and symbols. That there is no torque when there is no current is implicit in the expression when someone sets I = 0.
 
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No, it's a paper homework and we're expected to submit answers on paper. I like that better honestly.

Thanks for reminding me about including the units! I often forget to include them in my answers
 
LuigiAM said:
No, it's a paper homework and we're expected to submit answers on paper. I like that better honestly.

Thanks for reminding me about including the units! I often forget to include them in my answers
You're good to go.
 
LuigiAM said:
give the answer in terms of I

LuigiAM said:
Thanks for reminding me about including the units!
Need to be a bit careful quoting units on an answer which is a mix of numerics and unknowns. E.g. if you have a mass M (no units specified) and an acceleration of 2m/s2 then the force is 2M m/s2, not 2M Newtons.
 
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