Finding the Work Done in Moving a Mass on a Half-Cylinder at Constant Speed

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The problem involves a mass being pulled to the top of a frictionless half-cylinder at a constant speed. The participants are tasked with showing the relationship between the force and the angle, as well as calculating the work done by integrating the force over the distance moved.

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  • Participants discuss the setup of the integral needed to calculate work done, with some expressing confusion about how to relate the angle to the displacement. There are attempts to clarify the relationship between the force and the angle, and how to express the incremental displacement in terms of the angle.

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Some participants have provided guidance on how to express the displacement in terms of the angle, while others are still grappling with the setup of the integral. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships involved in the problem, with no clear consensus reached yet.

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Participants note the challenge of integrating the force as a function of the angle and the specific geometry of the half-cylinder setup. There is a mention of the string being tangent to the cylinder, which may influence the calculations.

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Homework Statement



A small mass m is pulled to the top of a frictionless halfcylinder (of radius R) by a cord that passes over the top of the cylinder. (a) If the mass moves at a constant speed, show that [tex]F=mg cos(\theta)[/tex]. The angle is between the horizontal and the radius drawn to the mass.

(b) By directly integrating
[tex]\int{Fds}[/tex]
find the work done in moving the mass at constant speed from the bottom to the top of the half-cylinder. Here ds represents an incremental displacement of the small mass.

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The a-part was easy when I drew a diagram. The b-part is the one I'm struggling with. With the Work-Energy theorem I get that the work done by F is mgR. But what integral should I compute and why? Have no idea whatsoever..:redface:
 
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(b) By directly integrating
[tex]\int{Fds}[/tex]
find the work done in moving the mass at constant speed from the bottom to the top of the half-cylinder. Here ds represents an incremental displacement of the small mass.

The a-part was easy when I drew a diagram. The b-part is the one I'm struggling with. With the Work-Energy theorem I get that the work done by F is mgR. But what integral should I compute and why? Have no idea whatsoever..:redface:

Hi Ailo! :smile:

(I'm not sure what you mean by mgR)

The integral is given to you … ∫F ds, where s is the displacement.

(Remember, the string is always tangent to the cylinder.)
 
Hi! Thx for the answer, but the problem is how to set it up. I should get an expression, integrate it, and end up with the answer mg*R. I've got the force as a function of the angle, and I don't understand how to integrate it over a distance.

Maybe I didn't explain the situation good enough. The half cylinder lies on the ground, and we pull the mass up along the quartercircle. Does anybody understand? =)
 
Hi Ailo! :smile:

Just decide what ds is (in terms of θ), and then integrate mgcosθ ds, and you should get mgR. :wink:
 
That's the problem. I've never done a problem like this before...
 
ok …

what is ds in terms of θ?

in other words, if you increase the angle by dθ, how much do you increase the length (s) of the string by? :smile:
 
My best guess is to make a triangle with sides R, R and ds. Will that work?
 
Ohh! Now I get it. It's (theta)*R, right?

*palmslap
 
Yup! :biggrin:

ds = Rdθ :smile:
 

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