Finding Velocity: Ek of the Trolley

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The discussion revolves around calculating the velocity of a trolley using kinetic energy principles, specifically focusing on the conversion of gravitational potential energy to kinetic energy during a falling mass experiment.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between gravitational potential energy and kinetic energy, questioning how to accurately calculate the velocity of the trolley based on energy conservation principles. Some participants express confusion over the calculations leading to different results for kinetic energy.

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There is an ongoing examination of the calculations related to energy conversion. Some participants have provided insights into potential errors in the original calculations, suggesting a need to consider the total mass in the kinetic energy formula. This has led to a reevaluation of the velocity and kinetic energy values.

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Participants are working under the assumption that energy is conserved throughout the experiment, and they are attempting to reconcile discrepancies between calculated and expected values of kinetic energy.

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The diagram shows a trolley being pulled from rest along a horizontal table by a falling mass. The trolley mass is 1.5 kg and the falling mass is 0.50 kg. The mass falls through 1.0m. what is the maximum kinetic energy of the trolley?
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Ek= 1/2 mv²
Ek of the trolley = 1/2×1.5×v²
How are we going to find the v (velocity) to put into the formula?
 

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What form of energy does the falling mass have at the beginning of the experiment? What form of energy does the falling mass have at the end?

Remember that Energy is conserved, but it can change form.
 
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Before the fall, the falling mass has gravitational potential energy and when the mass is falling, that gravitational potential energy is changing to Kinetic energy So,
Gravitational potential energy=mg∆h=0.5×10×1=5J
Kinetic energy=Gravitational potential energy
5=1/2 mv²=1/2 ×0.5×v²= 0.25×v²
v=√5÷0.25=4.5
Using the value of v=4.5 for the kinectic energy formula of the trolley, we have:
Ek=1/2×1.5×4.5²=15 J. My answer is still coming 15J while the correct answer is 3.7J. Kindly tell where am I going wrong?
 
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haha0p1 said:
Before the fall, the falling mass has gravitational potential energy and when the mass is falling, that gravitational potential energy is changing to Kinetic energy So,
Gravitational potential energy=mg∆h=0.5×10×1=5J
Kinetic energy=Gravitational potential energy
5=1/2 mv²=1/2 ×0.5×v²= 0.25×v²
v=√5÷0.25=4.5
Using the value of v=4.5 for the kinectic energy formula of the trolley, we have:
Ek=1/2×1.5×4.5²=15 J. My answer is still coming 15J while the correct answer is 3.7J. Kindly tell where am I going wrong?

5=1/2 mv²=1/2 ×0.5×v²= 0.25×v²

I'm pretty sure the 0.5 I've highlighted in red is where you went wrong.
The change in potential energy to kinetic energy imparted by the falling weight is transferred to both the trolley and the weight.
 
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OmCheeto said:
5=1/2 mv²=1/2 ×0.5×v²= 0.25×v²

I'm pretty sure the 0.5 I've highlighted in red is where you went wrong.
The change in potential energy to kinetic energy imparted by the falling weight is transferred to both the trolley and the weight.
5=1/2 mv²=1/2 ×(0.5+1.5)×v²= 1×v²
v=√5=2.24
Using the value of v=2.24 for the kinectic energy formula of the trolley, we have:
Ek=1/2×1.5×2.24²=3.7J
Yes, Now I am getting the right answer.
 
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