Finding Velocity: Ek of the Trolley

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The discussion focuses on calculating the kinetic energy (Ek) of a trolley using the formula Ek = 1/2 × mass × velocity². The initial calculations incorrectly used a mass of 0.5 kg for the falling weight, leading to an erroneous result of 15 J. The correct approach involves recognizing that the total mass affecting the kinetic energy includes both the trolley and the falling weight, resulting in a corrected velocity of 2.24 m/s and a final kinetic energy of 3.7 J.

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The diagram shows a trolley being pulled from rest along a horizontal table by a falling mass. The trolley mass is 1.5 kg and the falling mass is 0.50 kg. The mass falls through 1.0m. what is the maximum kinetic energy of the trolley?
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Ek= 1/2 mv²
Ek of the trolley = 1/2×1.5×v²
How are we going to find the v (velocity) to put into the formula?
 

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What form of energy does the falling mass have at the beginning of the experiment? What form of energy does the falling mass have at the end?

Remember that Energy is conserved, but it can change form.
 
Before the fall, the falling mass has gravitational potential energy and when the mass is falling, that gravitational potential energy is changing to Kinetic energy So,
Gravitational potential energy=mg∆h=0.5×10×1=5J
Kinetic energy=Gravitational potential energy
5=1/2 mv²=1/2 ×0.5×v²= 0.25×v²
v=√5÷0.25=4.5
Using the value of v=4.5 for the kinectic energy formula of the trolley, we have:
Ek=1/2×1.5×4.5²=15 J. My answer is still coming 15J while the correct answer is 3.7J. Kindly tell where am I going wrong?
 
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haha0p1 said:
Before the fall, the falling mass has gravitational potential energy and when the mass is falling, that gravitational potential energy is changing to Kinetic energy So,
Gravitational potential energy=mg∆h=0.5×10×1=5J
Kinetic energy=Gravitational potential energy
5=1/2 mv²=1/2 ×0.5×v²= 0.25×v²
v=√5÷0.25=4.5
Using the value of v=4.5 for the kinectic energy formula of the trolley, we have:
Ek=1/2×1.5×4.5²=15 J. My answer is still coming 15J while the correct answer is 3.7J. Kindly tell where am I going wrong?

5=1/2 mv²=1/2 ×0.5×v²= 0.25×v²

I'm pretty sure the 0.5 I've highlighted in red is where you went wrong.
The change in potential energy to kinetic energy imparted by the falling weight is transferred to both the trolley and the weight.
 
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OmCheeto said:
5=1/2 mv²=1/2 ×0.5×v²= 0.25×v²

I'm pretty sure the 0.5 I've highlighted in red is where you went wrong.
The change in potential energy to kinetic energy imparted by the falling weight is transferred to both the trolley and the weight.
5=1/2 mv²=1/2 ×(0.5+1.5)×v²= 1×v²
v=√5=2.24
Using the value of v=2.24 for the kinectic energy formula of the trolley, we have:
Ek=1/2×1.5×2.24²=3.7J
Yes, Now I am getting the right answer.
 
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The book claims the answer is that all the magnitudes are the same because "the gravitational force on the penguin is the same". I'm having trouble understanding this. I thought the buoyant force was equal to the weight of the fluid displaced. Weight depends on mass which depends on density. Therefore, due to the differing densities the buoyant force will be different in each case? Is this incorrect?

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