Finding volume between surface and x-y plane

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The problem involves finding the volume between the x-y plane and the surface defined by the function z = x^2 + 2y^2, constrained by an elliptical region given by (x+1)^2 + 2(y-2)^2 = 4^2.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of double or triple integrals to find the volume, with one suggesting a specific integral setup. Questions arise regarding the limits of integration and the potential use of change of variables, including polar coordinates and the Jacobian.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided feedback on the original poster's integral setup, indicating it may be complex. There is an exploration of changing variables to simplify the integral, with one participant expressing intent to research this further.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention a lack of depth in their understanding of change of variables and the Jacobian, suggesting that this may be a constraint in their ability to proceed with the problem.

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Homework Statement



Find the volume between the x-y plane (z=0) and the function [tex]z = x^2+2y^2[/tex], given that [tex](x+1)^2+2(y-2)^2=4^2[/tex] (ellipse)

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I know this has to do with a double/tripple integral, but if i do the following [tex]V = \int^{ x^2+2y^2}_{0}<area\_of\_ellipse> dz[/tex], I get some function dependent upon x and y, so i should first integrate with respect to z, so i get [tex]\int^a_b \int^c_d x^2+2y^2 dx dy[/tex], but what should i use as a,b,c,d?

ThanksEDIT: would it be the following: [tex]V = \int_{-5}^3 \int^{\sqrt{\frac{4^2-(x+1)^2}{2}}+2}_{-\sqrt{\frac{4^2-(x+1)^2}{2}}+2} x^2+2y^2 dy dx[/tex]
 
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Your setup looks good. But what a messy integral. Have you learned change of variables in multiple integrals yet?
 
change of variables... as in changing to polar coordinates rsp. cylinder coordinates?
 
foges said:
change of variables... as in changing to polar coordinates rsp. cylinder coordinates?

More general than that, where you use the Jacobian. Have you learned it yet?
 
umm, our teacher has showed us an example, how when chaning to polar coordinates you need to multiply by the jacobian determinant, nothing in depth though, ill read up on it online though ... if you could give me a tip in what direction i should be searching
 
I was thinking if you transform the unit disc S [tex]u^2+v^2\le1[/tex] into the ellipse R [tex]\left(\frac{x+1}{4}\right)^2+\left(\frac{y-2}{\sqrt{8}}\right)^2\le1[/tex] the integral might be easier.
 
Hmm, ok we havnt done that yet, but ill check it out, thanks :)
 

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