Finding where two curves share tangent lines

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The discussion focuses on finding points where the curves defined by the equations x² + y² + z² = 3 and x³ + y³ + z³ = 3 share the same tangent line. The key constraint derived is 3x² + 3y² + 3z² = 2x + 2y + 2z, leading to the planar equation 2(x + y + z) = 9. The participants clarify that while tangent lines are typically not discussed in relation to surfaces, the points must still satisfy the original curve equations. A further constraint is necessary to ensure solutions remain on the sphere defined by the first equation.

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Homework Statement


Find all points for which the curves [itex]x^2+y^2+z^2=3[/itex] and [itex]x^3+y^3+z^3=3[/itex] share the same tangent line.


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Sharing the same tangent line amounts to having the same derivative. The constraint then is that [itex]3x^2+3y^2+3z^2=2x+2y+2z[/itex]. The points must obviously also lie on the original curves.


The Attempt at a Solution


Combining the constraint on the derivatives ([itex]3(x^2+y^2+z^2)-2(x+y+z)=0[/itex]) with the constraint that [itex]x^2+y^2+z^2=x^3+y^3+z^3=3[/itex] we see that the constraint on the derivatives becomes [itex]3(3)-2(x+y+z)=0[/itex] which is just the planar equation [itex]2(x+y+z)=9[/itex]. This feels wrong to me; these curves should not intersect at a plane. Am I right?
 
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Those aren't curves, they are surfaces. Tangent lines aren't usually what you talk about with surfaces although I guess there's no law against it.:rolleyes:

If it's any help to you, here's a picture of the two surfaces:

surfaces.jpg
 
I believe this is not quite finished, though. You have found that your points must lie in the plane x + y + z = 9/2 , but you must still introduce a constraint, since plainly this equation alone permits "solutions" which are far from the sphere. You could, say, write z in terms of x and y using the equation for the sphere.
 

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