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The discussion revolves around analyzing the function f(x) = 2x² / (x² - 4). Participants are tasked with finding various characteristics of the function, including intercepts, asymptotes, derivatives, and points of local maxima and minima.

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  • The original poster attempts to find the second derivative and expresses confusion about the steps involved in its calculation, particularly regarding the cancellation of terms and the change in the power of the denominator.
  • Some participants suggest factoring techniques to simplify the expressions, while others question the reasoning behind the manipulation of the terms.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of factoring out common terms and how it affects the overall expression.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's questions, providing insights into factoring and manipulation of the derivatives. There is a collaborative effort to clarify the steps involved in the calculations, although no consensus has been reached on the final form of the second derivative.

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Homework Statement



For the following function ##f(x)=\frac {2x^2} {x^2-4}##, find the following:

a) The x and y intercepts
b) the horizontal and vertical asymptotes
c) the first and second derivatives
d) any local maximum or minimum points
e) the intervals of increasing and decreasing
f) any inflection points
g) the intervals of concavity

(solved some of these already but included the full questions just incase)

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I mostly need help with the second derivative.

a) The x and y intercepts are (0,0)

b) The horizontal and vertical asymptotes are

Vertical:

##x^2-4=0##
##(x+2)(x-2)##
x=2 and x=-2

Horizontal:
##\frac 2 {1}=2##

c) The first and second derivatives

I had a lot of trouble finding the second derivative, and still don't understand a few of the final steps. Here's my work.

##f(x)=\frac {2x^2} {x^2-4}##

##f'(x)=\frac {4x(x^2-4)-2x^2(2x)} {(x^2-4)^2 }##

##=\frac {4x^3-16x-4x^3} {(x^2-4)^2}##

##=\frac {-16} {(x^2-4)^2}##

##f''(x)=\frac {-16(x^2-4)^2-(-16x)(4x(x^2-4))} {(x^2-4)^4}## I solved up to here on my own, after this I am not sure where ##(x^2-4)## went, and why the denominator went from ##(x^2-4)^4## to ##(x^2-4)^3##. Also where did the square go on the ##(x^2-4)^2##?

##=\frac {-16(x^2-4)+64x^2} {(x^2-4)^3}##

##=\frac {-16x^2+64+64x^2} {(x^2-4)^3}##

##=\frac {48x^2+64} {(x^2-4)^3}##

d) any local maximum or minimum points.

Set the first derivative to 0 solve for x:

##f'(x)=\frac {-16x} {(x^2-4)^2}=0##

##=-16x=0##

##x=0##

Sub x value into original function

##y=\frac {2(0)^2} {(0)^2-4}##

##=\frac 0 {-4} =0##

(0,0) is a possible max or min point.
 
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Simple matter of factoring.

You have ##-16(x^2 - 4)^2 - (-16x)(4x)(x^2 - 4) = -16(x^2 - 4)^2 + 64x^2(x^2 - 4)##. Both terms have a ##(x^2 - 4)## factor, so you can factor it out.
## = (x^2 - 4) \left [ -16(x^2 - 4) + 64x^2 \right ]##
And that ##(x^2 - 4)## cancels out with one factor in the denominator, leaving you ##(x^2 - 4)^3## in the denominator and ##\left [ -16(x^2 - 4) + 64x^2 \right ]## in the numerator.

I think that answers the question you were asking.

If it's not clear, replace the expression ##x^2 - 4## with ##y##.
##\frac {-16y^2 + 64x^2y} {y^4} = \frac{y (-16y + 64x^2)} {y^4} = \frac{-16y + 64x^2}{y^3}##
 
RPinPA said:
Simple matter of factoring.

You have ##-16(x^2 - 4)^2 - (-16x)(4x)(x^2 - 4) = -16(x^2 - 4)^2 + 64x^2(x^2 - 4)##. Both terms have a ##(x^2 - 4)## factor, so you can factor it out.
## = (x^2 - 4) \left [ -16(x^2 - 4) + 64x^2 \right ]##
And that ##(x^2 - 4)## cancels out with one factor in the denominator, leaving you ##(x^2 - 4)^3## in the denominator and ##\left [ -16(x^2 - 4) + 64x^2 \right ]## in the numerator.

I think that answers the question you were asking.

If it's not clear, replace the expression ##x^2 - 4## with ##y##.
##\frac {-16y^2 + 64x^2y} {y^4} = \frac{y (-16y + 64x^2)} {y^4} = \frac{-16y + 64x^2}{y^3}##

That kind of makes sense. What confuses me is the square on ##(x^2-4)^2##. Now this is my first math course in a while, but wouldn't it just get factored from ##(x^2-4)^2## to##(x^2-4)## or is that not how it works?

This is what I was thinking, but I haven't had to factor in a while so I'm probably wrong.

##f''(x)=\frac {-16(x^2-4)^2+64x^2(x^2-4)} {x^2-4)^4}##

##=\frac {(x^2-4) [-16(x^2-4)^2+64x^2} {(x^2-4)^4}##

##=\frac {-16(x^2-4)+64x^2} {(x^2-4)^3}##
 
Go the other way. What is ##y (-16y^2 + 64x^2)##? By the distributive law it's ##-16y^2*y + 64x^2*y = -16y^3 + 64x^2y##

Do that with your expression. Multiply the ##x^2 - 4## back by both of the terms inside the square brackets. What happens to the first term when you multiply it by ##(x^2 - 4)##? What is ##-16(x^2 - 4)^2## times ##(x^2 - 4)##?

I think I'm not quite understanding your question. You asked "wouldn't it get factored from ##(x^2 - 4)^2## to ##(x^2 - 4)##? If you look at what I did, I had ##(x^2 - 4)^2## before factoring and ##(x^2 - 4)## inside the brackets after factoring. So it did in fact get factored from ##(x^2 - 4)^2## to ##(x^2 - 4)##.
 
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RPinPA said:
Go the other way. What is ##y (-16y^2 + 64x^2)##? By the distributive law it's ##-16y^2*y + 64x^2*y = -16y^3 + 64x^2y##

Do that with your expression. Multiply the ##x^2 - 4## back by both of the terms inside the square brackets. What happens to the first term when you multiply it by ##(x^2 - 4)##? What is ##-16(x^2 - 4)^2## times ##(x^2 - 4)##?

I think I'm not quite understanding your question. You asked "wouldn't it get factored from ##(x^2 - 4)^2## to ##(x^2 - 4)##? If you look at what I did, I had ##(x^2 - 4)^2## before factoring and ##(x^2 - 4)## inside the brackets after factoring. So it did in fact get factored from ##(x^2 - 4)^2## to ##(x^2 - 4)##.
Thank you, it just took some time for me to understand this.I get it now!
 

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