Quadratic equation to find max and min

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The discussion focuses on finding the maximum and minimum values of the function f(x, y) = 4x + y^2 under the constraint 2x^2 + y^2 = 4. Participants suggest using differentiation and Lagrange multipliers as methods to identify critical points. The critical points identified include (0, -2), (0, 2), (±√2, 0), and (1, √2). The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding the ellipse represented by the constraint to visualize potential maxima and minima.

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  • #31
Lifeforbetter said:
x = 1 -> y=+-##\sqrt2##
y = 0 -> x=+-##\sqrt2##
OK, those look fine.
 
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  • #32
##2x^2 + y^2 = 4##
##4x + y^2##

I know you are done with the question, but I wanted to say that lagrange multipliers is not the best for this problem.

Set ##x=\sqrt{2}cos(\theta), y=2sin(\theta)##

So now we need to optimize ##4(\sqrt{2}cos(\theta)+sin^2(\theta) )##

So now we need to optimize ##\sqrt{2}cos(\theta)+sin^2(\theta)##Differentiate it w.r.t ##\theta## we get ## -\sqrt{2}sin(\theta)+2sin(\theta)cos(\theta)=0##Implies ##sin(\theta)=0## or ##cos(\theta)=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}##

So max when x=1 and ##y=\sqrt{2}## (so max is 6) and minimum when y=0 and ##x=-\sqrt{2}## (so min is ##-4\sqrt{2}##).
 
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  • #33
Pi-is-3 said:
##2x^2 + y^2 = 4##
##4x + y^2##

I know you are done with the question, but I wanted to say that lagrange multipliers is not the best for this problem.

Set ##x=\sqrt{2}cos(\theta), y=2sin(\theta)##

So now we need to optimize ##4(\sqrt{2}cos(\theta)+sin^2(\theta) )##

So now we need to optimize ##\sqrt{2}cos(\theta)+sin^2(\theta)##Differentiate it w.r.t we get ## -\sqrt{2}sin(\theta)+2sin(\theta)cos(\theta)=0##Implies ##sin(\theta)=0## or ##cos(\theta)=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}##

So max when x=1 and ##y=\sqrt{2}## (so max is 6) and minimum when y=0 and ##x=-\sqrt{2}## (so min is ##-4\sqrt{2}##).
Ok. Thanks. But where can i know to set ##x=\sqrt{2}cos(\theta), y=2sin(\theta)##
 
  • #34
Lifeforbetter said:
Ok. Thanks. But where can i know to set ##x=\sqrt{2}cos(\theta), y=2sin(\theta)##

It is very simple. Let us consider ##2x^{2} +y^{2}=4##

Then ##\frac{x^{2}}{2}+\frac{y^{2}}{4}=1##

Here we make the substitution ##\frac{x^2}{2}=cos^2(\theta)## and ##\frac{y^2}{4}=sin^2(\theta)##

And that is how we get it.
 
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  • #35
Also, if you ever need, ## - \sqrt{a^2+b^2} \leq acos(\theta)+bsin(\theta) \leq \sqrt{a^2+b^2}##
 
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  • #36
Pi-is-3 said:
Also, if you ever need, ## - \sqrt{a^2+b^2} \leq acos(\theta)+bsin(\theta) \leq \sqrt{a^2+b^2}##
How about this?
 
  • #37
Lifeforbetter said:
How about this?

Do you mean the proof? You can prove it through Lagrange multipliers, or their is a trigonometrical proof too. For the Lagrange multipliers proof, your optimization function is ##acos(\theta)+bsin(\theta)## and restrain function is ##cos^2(\theta)+sin^2(\theta)=1##.
 

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