Quadratic equation to find max and min

Click For Summary
The discussion focuses on finding the maximum and minimum values of the function f(x, y) = 4x + y², subject to the constraint 2x² + y² = 4, which describes an ellipse. Various methods are suggested, including differentiation, Lagrange multipliers, and substitution of y from the constraint into the function. Critical points identified include x = 1 and x = ±√2, while y values can be derived from the constraint. The importance of understanding the geometry of the ellipse is emphasized, as it helps in identifying potential maximum and minimum points for the function.
  • #31
Lifeforbetter said:
x = 1 -> y=+-##\sqrt2##
y = 0 -> x=+-##\sqrt2##
OK, those look fine.
 
  • Like
Likes Lifeforbetter
Physics news on Phys.org
  • #32
##2x^2 + y^2 = 4##
##4x + y^2##

I know you are done with the question, but I wanted to say that lagrange multipliers is not the best for this problem.

Set ##x=\sqrt{2}cos(\theta), y=2sin(\theta)##

So now we need to optimize ##4(\sqrt{2}cos(\theta)+sin^2(\theta) )##

So now we need to optimize ##\sqrt{2}cos(\theta)+sin^2(\theta)##Differentiate it w.r.t ##\theta## we get ## -\sqrt{2}sin(\theta)+2sin(\theta)cos(\theta)=0##Implies ##sin(\theta)=0## or ##cos(\theta)=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}##

So max when x=1 and ##y=\sqrt{2}## (so max is 6) and minimum when y=0 and ##x=-\sqrt{2}## (so min is ##-4\sqrt{2}##).
 
Last edited:
  • #33
Pi-is-3 said:
##2x^2 + y^2 = 4##
##4x + y^2##

I know you are done with the question, but I wanted to say that lagrange multipliers is not the best for this problem.

Set ##x=\sqrt{2}cos(\theta), y=2sin(\theta)##

So now we need to optimize ##4(\sqrt{2}cos(\theta)+sin^2(\theta) )##

So now we need to optimize ##\sqrt{2}cos(\theta)+sin^2(\theta)##Differentiate it w.r.t we get ## -\sqrt{2}sin(\theta)+2sin(\theta)cos(\theta)=0##Implies ##sin(\theta)=0## or ##cos(\theta)=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}##

So max when x=1 and ##y=\sqrt{2}## (so max is 6) and minimum when y=0 and ##x=-\sqrt{2}## (so min is ##-4\sqrt{2}##).
Ok. Thanks. But where can i know to set ##x=\sqrt{2}cos(\theta), y=2sin(\theta)##
 
  • #34
Lifeforbetter said:
Ok. Thanks. But where can i know to set ##x=\sqrt{2}cos(\theta), y=2sin(\theta)##

It is very simple. Let us consider ##2x^{2} +y^{2}=4##

Then ##\frac{x^{2}}{2}+\frac{y^{2}}{4}=1##

Here we make the substitution ##\frac{x^2}{2}=cos^2(\theta)## and ##\frac{y^2}{4}=sin^2(\theta)##

And that is how we get it.
 
  • Like
Likes Lifeforbetter
  • #35
Also, if you ever need, ## - \sqrt{a^2+b^2} \leq acos(\theta)+bsin(\theta) \leq \sqrt{a^2+b^2}##
 
  • Like
Likes Lifeforbetter
  • #36
Pi-is-3 said:
Also, if you ever need, ## - \sqrt{a^2+b^2} \leq acos(\theta)+bsin(\theta) \leq \sqrt{a^2+b^2}##
How about this?
 
  • #37
Lifeforbetter said:
How about this?

Do you mean the proof? You can prove it through Lagrange multipliers, or their is a trigonometrical proof too. For the Lagrange multipliers proof, your optimization function is ##acos(\theta)+bsin(\theta)## and restrain function is ##cos^2(\theta)+sin^2(\theta)=1##.
 

Similar threads

Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
Replies
12
Views
1K
Replies
4
Views
1K
  • · Replies 27 ·
Replies
27
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
1K