Finite bending of an elastic block - Equilibrium equations

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The discussion focuses on the finite bending of a rubber-like block modeled with a Neo-Hookean response. Participants are examining the equilibrium equations derived from the Cauchy stress tensor and exploring potential discrepancies between their calculations and those presented in a reference book.

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  • One participant presents the Cauchy stress tensor and derives the principal stresses, questioning whether their interpretation of ##T_r## is correct.
  • Another participant acknowledges an oversight in their differentiation, suggesting a potential error in the reference book regarding the application of the first Piola-Kirchhoff stress.
  • Concerns are raised about the absence of a term involving ##\pi## in the equilibrium equation from the book, with a participant proposing that the derivative might need to be interpreted as a product rule.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the correctness of their derived equations compared to the reference material, indicating a need for further verification.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correctness of their calculations versus the reference book. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the derivation and interpretation of the equilibrium equations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential missing factors in differentiation and question the assumptions made in the reference material. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in applying the first Piola-Kirchhoff stress in the context of the problem.

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I am studying the finite bending of a rubber-like block, assuming Neo-Hookean response. In the following, ##l_0##,##h##, ##\bar{\theta}## are parameters, while the variables are ##r## and ##\theta##.

The Cauchy stress tensor is
##T= - \pi I + \mu(\frac{l_0^2}{4 \bar{\theta}^2 r^2} e_r \otimes e_r + \frac{4 \bar{\theta}^2}{l_0^2}r^2 e_{\theta} \otimes e_{\theta} - I)##

Now I need to solve ##div(T)=0##, where the divergence has to be computed in cylindrical coordinates. The author says:

Since there are only two non-null principal stresses, ##T_r## and ##T_θ## , equilibrium becomes ##\frac{\partial T_r}{\partial r} + \frac{T_r - T_{\theta}}{r}=0 \quad \frac{\partial T_{\theta}}{\partial \theta} = 0##

Question:
I assume ##T_r## means ##e_r \cdot T e_r##, right? If so, I obtained

##T_r = - \pi + \mu \frac{l_0^2}{4 \bar{\theta}^2 r^2} -1 ##

##T_{\theta} = - \pi + \mu \frac{4 \bar{\theta}^2 r^2}{l_0^2} -1 ##

Unfortunately, the first equilibrium equation I obtain is different from the one of the book, which is attached to this message.

I obtain ##\frac{\partial \pi}{ \partial r} + \mu \frac{4 \bar{\theta}^2 r}{l_0^2}=0##

I'd like to have a check about this, because I think I computed correctly the two principal stresses, so maybe there's a mistake in the book.Bob
 

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Summary:: I computed the principal stresses for a Neo-Hookean material, but I think the equations I got are not correct, since the book writes a different one

I am studying the finite bending of a rubber-like block, assuming Neo-Hookean response. In the following, ##l_0##,##h##, ##\bar{\theta}## are parameters, while the variables are ##r## and ##\theta##.

The Cauchy stress tensor is
##T= - \pi I + \mu(\frac{l_0^2}{4 \bar{\theta}^2 r^2} e_r \otimes e_r + \frac{4 \bar{\theta}^2}{l_0^2}r^2 e_{\theta} \otimes e_{\theta} - I)##

Now I need to solve ##div(T)=0##, where the divergence has to be computed in cylindrical coordinates. The author says:
Question:
I assume ##T_r## means ##e_r \cdot T e_r##, right? If so, I obtained

##T_r = - \pi + \mu \frac{l_0^2}{4 \bar{\theta}^2 r^2} -1 ##

##T_{\theta} = - \pi + \mu \frac{4 \bar{\theta}^2 r^2}{l_0^2} -1 ##

Unfortunately, the first equilibrium equation I obtain is different from the one of the book, which is attached to this message.

I obtain ##\frac{\partial \pi}{ \partial r} + \mu \frac{4 \bar{\theta}^2 r}{l_0^2}=0##

I'd like to have a check about this, because I think I computed correctly the two principal stresses, so maybe there's a mistake in the book.Bob
I get their answer when I make the substitutions.
 
@Chestermiller Thanks, I've just realized I forgot a factor of $\frac{1}{2}$ during differentiation.

However, I think there's another error when the author tries to solve the problem in the reference configuration, i.e. using first Piola - Kirchoff stress. See page 186 ( https://books.google.it/books?id=f3RrYLujw8oC&pg=PA179&lpg=PA179&dq=Finite+bending+of+an+incompressible+elastic+block&source=bl&ots=hDKzQSjxSv&sig=ACfU3U3fLyBQ9a3XuAl14bfvVHTrmfKs6Q&hl=it&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi61bzqxLfwAhVGi6QKHcWEBt8Q6AEwCXoECAUQAw#v=onepage&q=Finite bending of an incompressible elastic block&f=false)

The equilibrium equation is:

##Div(S) = \frac{\partial }{\partial x_1^0} S_{r1} e_r + \frac{\partial}{\partial x_2^0} S_{\theta 2} e_{\theta} = 0##

The problem is that I can't find the same result he wrote at equation (5.95): how is it possible that he has no ##\pi## in the r.h.s. of the equation? Applying the rule for the derivative of a quotient I should find also a term with ##\pi##, not only ##\frac{\partial \pi}{\partial x_1^0}##
 
bobinthebox said:
@Chestermiller Thanks, I've just realized I forgot a factor of $\frac{1}{2}$ during differentiation.

However, I think there's another error when the author tries to solve the problem in the reference configuration, i.e. using first Piola - Kirchoff stress. See page 186 ( https://books.google.it/books?id=f3RrYLujw8oC&pg=PA179&lpg=PA179&dq=Finite+bending+of+an+incompressible+elastic+block&source=bl&ots=hDKzQSjxSv&sig=ACfU3U3fLyBQ9a3XuAl14bfvVHTrmfKs6Q&hl=it&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi61bzqxLfwAhVGi6QKHcWEBt8Q6AEwCXoECAUQAw#v=onepage&q=Finite bending of an incompressible elastic block&f=false)

The equilibrium equation is:

##Div(S) = \frac{\partial }{\partial x_1^0} S_{r1} e_r + \frac{\partial}{\partial x_2^0} S_{\theta 2} e_{\theta} = 0##

The problem is that I can't find the same result he wrote at equation (5.95): how is it possible that he has no ##\pi## in the r.h.s. of the equation? Applying the rule for the derivative of a quotient I should find also a term with ##\pi##, not only ##\frac{\partial \pi}{\partial x_1^0}##
Sorry. I'm not familiar with this material.
 
Nevermind. Maybe I got what I am missing:

when he writes ##Div(S) = \frac{\partial }{\partial x_1^0} S_{r1} e_r + \frac{\partial}{\partial x_2^0} S_{\theta 2} e_{\theta} = 0## maybe the first term is

##\frac{\partial}{\partial x_1^0} (S_{r1} e_r)## i.e. the derivative of a product, rather than ##\frac{\partial}{\partial x_1^0} (S_{r1}) e_r##

What do you think? @Chestermiller
 

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