First and second derivative of a parametric

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The discussion revolves around finding the first and second derivatives of parametric equations defined by x = t - e^{t} and y = t + e^{-t}. Participants are exploring the relationships between these derivatives and the methods used to derive them.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of the first derivative dy/dx and the second derivative d^{2}y/dx, with some questioning the correctness of the second derivative. There are mentions of using the chain rule and reverse chain rule, with participants expressing uncertainty about their approaches.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants offering feedback on the original poster's attempts. Some guidance has been provided regarding the simplification of the first derivative, while others are seeking clarification on the second derivative's calculation. Multiple interpretations of the second derivative are being explored.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted confusion regarding the notation for the second derivative, with participants clarifying the correct expression as d^{2}y/dx^{2}. Additionally, there are indications of missing steps in the original poster's work that could aid in understanding the derivation process.

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Homework Statement


[tex]x = t - e^{t}[/tex]

[tex]y = t + e^{-t}[/tex]

Find dy/dx and [tex]d^{2}y/dx.[/tex]

Homework Equations


Derivative equations.

The Attempt at a Solution


dy/dt = [tex]1 - e^{-t}[/tex]

dx/dt = [tex]1 - e^{t}[/tex]

The dy/dx I came up with is:
dy/dx = [tex](1 - e^{-t}) / (1 - e^{t})[/tex]

Second derivative I came up with is:
[tex]d^{2}y/dx[/tex] =[tex]- (e^{t} - e^{2t})^{-2} (e^{t} - 2e^{2t})[/tex]
 
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Assuming you meant y=t+e^(-t) the first derivative looks ok. The second derivative doesn't. Mind showing us how you got it?
 
I think I tried to do a chain rule but screwed up somewhere.
 
It's rather hard to find [itex]\frac{d^2 y}{dx}[/itex]. You should be looking for [itex]\frac{d^2 y}{d x^2}[/itex].
 
Sorry, that's what I meant, the second derivative (just forgot the squared on the bottom).

My main issue is I'm not sure how I was supposed to have found the second derivative. I tried to do a reverse chain rule but I am pretty sure I did it wrong.
 
Exeneva said:
I think I tried to do a chain rule but screwed up somewhere.

Exeneva said:
Sorry, that's what I meant, the second derivative (just forgot the squared on the bottom).

My main issue is I'm not sure how I was supposed to have found the second derivative. I tried to do a reverse chain rule but I am pretty sure I did it wrong.
It would help if you showed us your actual work. Just saying "I tried this and it didn't work" isn't very helpful.

By the way, the first derivative simplifies quite a bit, down to dy/dx=-e-t.
 

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