First and second order partial derivatives

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The discussion focuses on calculating the first and second order partial derivatives of the function f(x,y) = x² - y² - 4x²/(y - 1)². Participants clarify that to find these derivatives, one must differentiate with respect to one variable while treating the other as a constant. The discussion identifies six derivatives in total: two first order and four second order, including mixed partial derivatives. The mixed partial derivatives can be computed in either order without affecting the result.

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Hello,

I was wondering if I could get some help with a question I have.

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We are asked to find the first and second order partial derivatives of

f(x,y) = x^2 - y^2 - 4x^2/(y - 1)^2 (sorry, I don't know how to write this in latex).

I am not really sure how to get started with this, so any help at all would be fantastic.

Thanks

Sean Feely
 
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Just calculate the derivatives in respect to one variable while treating the other variable as if it was a constant. Do this for both variables in different orders and you should get 6 derivatives (2 of the 1st order and 4 of the 2nd order) although two of them will be the same.
 
feely said:
We are asked to find the first and second order partial derivatives of

f(x,y) = x^2 - y^2 - 4x^2/(y - 1)^2 (sorry, I don't know how to write this in latex).

First and second order partial derivatives with respect to which variable? Both?
 
You are being asked to find \frac{{\partial f(x,y)}}{{\partial x}},\frac{{\partial f(x,y)}}{y},\frac{{\partial ^2 f(x,y)}}{{\partial x^2 }},\frac{{\partial ^2 f(x,y)}}{{\partial y^2 }} and possibly the mixed partial derivative, \frac{{\partial f(x,y)}}{{\partial x\partial y}}.

Let's say you have a function f(x,y) = 3x + 2y + 6xy. To find the first partial with respect to x, that is \frac{{\partial f(x,y)}}{{\partial x}}, you simply pretend y is a constant. Thus, you find the partial with respect to x is \frac{{\partial f(x,y)}}{{\partial x}} = 3 + 6y. Since y is constant, 2y is a constant with respect to x, and thus it goes away when you differentiate with respect to x. The second derivative from there is obviously 0 since the derivative of 3 is 0 and the derivative of 3y is 0 because y is a constant just like the number 3. When you take partials with respect to y, you do the same thing except with x as constant. The first derivative with respect to y would be 2 + 6x and again, the second derivative would be 0.

The mixed partial is a bit different as you switch the order. Either way is fine but you can first take the derivative with respect to x which gives you 3 + 6y. Then you have to take the derivative of y, and since y is no longer a constant, you see that the mixed partial is simply equal to 6. It actually does not matter which way you take your mixed partials, x first y second, y first x second in most cases.
 
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