First order linear differential equation

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The discussion revolves around solving a first-order linear differential equation of the form (y^2 + 1)*dx + (2xy + 1)*dy = 0. Participants are exploring methods to manipulate the equation and identify its characteristics, particularly focusing on whether it can be treated as an exact differential equation.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss various attempts to rearrange the equation into a solvable form, with some expressing confusion about the integration process and the nature of exact differentials. Questions arise regarding the validity of treating differentials as cancelable quantities during integration.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of different methods to approach the problem, including suggestions to consider the equation as an exact differential. Some participants have provided guidance on integrating and manipulating the equation, while others express uncertainty about specific steps and concepts.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that they have not previously covered exact differentials in their coursework, which may contribute to the confusion surrounding the problem. There is also mention of the problem being suitable for a calculus II class, indicating a level of complexity expected in the discussion.

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Homework Statement


Solve this differential equation:
(y^2 +1)*dx + (2xy + 1)*dy = 0


Homework Equations


dy/dx + P(x)*y = Q(x)
u(x) = e^(integral of P(x)dx)
(d/dx)(u(x)*y) = Q(x)*u(x)
y = (integral of (Q(x)*u(x)dx))/(u(x)


The Attempt at a Solution


I tried dividing by dx then distributing and rearranging to get it into the right form, but run into problems:
y^2 + 1 + 2xy*dy/dx + dy/dx = 0
dy/dx + y/2x = (-1/(2xy))(dy/dx) -1/(2xy)

this is the closest I could get it to the right form. It would give me u(x) = x^(1/2), but I wouldn't be able to integrate the right side as it would have both x and y. Is there a way to get past this, or did I just rearrange poorly? I just integrated it anyway and the part that was integrated with respect to x I held y as constant, and vice versa, but I'm sure it's wrong so I won't show how I did that. This is for a calc II class so it should be doable without any advanced tricks.

thanks!
 
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That's an exact differential. You should show us how you did it wrongly by integrating. Because you should be able to do it that way.
 
that's interesting. We haven't done exact differentials as far as I know, but since I don't know what that means perhaps we have!

dy/dx + y/2x = (-1/(2xy))(dy/dx) -1/(2xy)
using u(x) = x^(1/2)

integral of ((d/dx)(y*x^(1/2))dx) = integral of (-1/(2*x^(1/2)*y)(dy/dx)(dx)) - integral of (-1/(2*x^(1/2)*y)(dx))

I integrated with respect to y for the first one on the right side, treating x as a constant, and integrated with respect to x on the right side, holding y constant, to get:

x^(1/2)*y = -1/(2*x^(1/2))*ln(abs(y)) - (x^(1/2))/y + C
y = -1/(2*x)*ln(abs(y)) - 1/y + C/(x^(1/2))
 
Another way to about doing this is to consider what d/dx( xy2) works out to be i.e. d(xy2)
 
JoeTrumpet said:
that's interesting. We haven't done exact differentials as far as I know, but since I don't know what that means perhaps we have!

dy/dx + y/2x = (-1/(2xy))(dy/dx) -1/(2xy)
using u(x) = x^(1/2)

integral of ((d/dx)(y*x^(1/2))dx) = integral of (-1/(2*x^(1/2)*y)(dy/dx)(dx)) - integral of (-1/(2*x^(1/2)*y)(dx))

I integrated with respect to y for the first one on the right side, treating x as a constant, and integrated with respect to x on the right side, holding y constant, to get:

x^(1/2)*y = -1/(2*x^(1/2))*ln(abs(y)) - (x^(1/2))/y + C
y = -1/(2*x)*ln(abs(y)) - 1/y + C/(x^(1/2))

Not quite. You are looking for a solution of the form f(x,y)=C. The differential of f is (df/dx)*dx+(df/dy)*dy (the derivatives are partial). So you are looking for a function such that df/dx=(y^2 +1) and df/dy=(2xy + 1). Like rock.freak667 points out, you could probably guess the answer.
 
Oh, I think I know what to do then. I can flip my strategy around and solve for x instead:

(y^2 +1)*dx + (2xy + 1)*dy = 0
dividing by dy, distributing, and rearranging:
dx/dy + 2x/y = - 1/y^2 - (1/y^2)*dx/dy

therefore u(y) = e^(2*lny) = y^2

so

(d/dy)((y^2)*x) = -1 - dx/dy
integrating with respect to y
(y^2)*x = -y - x + C

Is this correct? Also, a question regarding my last integration with respect to y: when I integrate (dx/dy)*dy, I'm told that in situations like this "the dy's don't actually cancel out, but you can treat it as such." What *actually* happens then?

Thanks for the help!
 
You've got the right answer. f(x,y)=x*y^2+x+y=C. So (df/dx)*dx+(df/dy)*dy=0. I'm a little confused by your last question. If you are integrating dy, then C could be any function of x. But if you differentiate d/dx and d/dy, you can figure out what it is, right?
 
Oh, sorry, for my last question I meant regarding the step where I integrated

integral of (-1-(dx/dy))dy

I integrated by "distributing" the dy and "cancelling" it out on the right side to get

int(-dy - dx)
-y - x

The step where I simplified (dx/dy)*dy to dx is what I was asking about. I remember hearing that technically that's not allowed, but it works out because it implies that you're actually doing something else, I think with substitution. I was wondering what implied substitution I was doing so I can more readily understand the integration (we've never worked with multiple variables before so it's a very new to me).
 
(dx/dy)*dy IS dx. Technically, it's not allowed to deal with 'infinitesimal' quantities at all, since they aren't 'real' numbers. But that's a technicality. Do it anyway. Everybody else does.
 
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http://stuff.bsodmike.com/Integral%20for%20an%20Exact%20Equation%20(1st%20Order%20ODEs).jpg

This would probably a more organised method of arriving at the solution. What is also nice, is that you can test for the condition that it is an exact differential.
 
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