First Order Linear Differential Equation

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The discussion revolves around a first-order linear differential equation given by dv/dt = 9.8 - 0.196v. Participants are exploring the correct form of the equation and the application of an integrating factor to solve it.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the transformation of the equation into standard form and the role of the integrating factor. Questions arise regarding the disappearance of the coefficient 0.196 during the application of the product rule in differentiation.

Discussion Status

Some participants express confusion about the justification for omitting the 0.196 term, while others provide insights into the integration factor and its implications. There is an acknowledgment of differing interpretations of the product rule and its application in this context.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of maintaining symbolic representations in differential equations to avoid errors and facilitate understanding. There is also mention of a simpler approach using separation of variables, indicating a variety of methods being considered.

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Homework Statement


dv/dt = 9.8 - 0.196v
Set in correct form:
dv/dt + 0.196v = 9.8
Since p(t) = 0.196, u(t) the integration factor is given by:
u(t) = e∫0.196 dt
Multiply each term by u(t) and rearrange:
(e∫0.196 dt)(dv/dt) + (0.196)(e∫0.196 dt)(v) = (9.8)(e∫0.196 dt)
From now on we will set e∫0.196 dt equal to D and leave it at that.
Here's where I no longer understand it. We take into consideration the product rule:
(f(x)*f(y))' = f'(x)f'(y) + f(x)f'(y)
Pauls' Online Notes gets:
(D*v)' = 9.8D

My question is, where did the 0.196 go? I don't see how he's justified in making p(t) just disappear.

Homework Equations


(f(x)*f(y))' = f'(x)f'(y) + f(x)f'(y)

The Attempt at a Solution


My Father who was a math major 30 years ago but went into business and has forgotten a lot
http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/Classes/DE/Linear.aspx
 
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Prof. 27 said:

Homework Statement


dv/dt = 9.8 - 0.196v
Set in correct form:
dv/dt + 0.196v = 9.8
Since p(t) = 0.196, u(t) the integration factor is given by:
u(t) = e∫0.196 dt
The right side should be simplified by carrying out the integration. What do you get?
Prof. 27 said:
Multiply each term by u(t) and rearrange:
(e∫0.196 dt)(dv/dt) + (0.196)(e∫0.196 dt)(v) = (9.8)(e∫0.196 dt)
From now on we will set e∫0.196 dt equal to D and leave it at that.
Here's where I no longer understand it. We take into consideration the product rule:
(f(x)*f(y))' = f'(x)f'(y) + f(x)f'(y)
The part above makes no sense. f(x) and f(y) represent the same function, but with different variables. The prime (') represents differentiation, but with respect to which variable?
Prof. 27 said:
Pauls' Online Notes gets:
(D*v)' = 9.8D
Now this makes a little more sense. The idea with an integrating factor is to find a factor that can multiply both sides so that the left side looks like the derivative of a product. What you integrate, you then get just the product.
Prof. 27 said:
My question is, where did the 0.196 go? I don't see how he's justified in making p(t) just disappear.

Homework Equations


(f(x)*f(y))' = f'(x)f'(y) + f(x)f'(y)

The Attempt at a Solution


My Father who was a math major 30 years ago but went into business and has forgotten a lot
http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/Classes/DE/Linear.aspx
A simpler way to do this problem is to use separation. Rewrite the equation as
##\frac{dv}{9.8 - .196v} = dt##
Now integrate.
 
p(t) gets adsorbed into the integration factor u(t) when the product rule is invoked in step 3 of his solution method.
 
"The part above makes no sense. f(x) and f(y) represent the same function, but with different variables. The prime (') represents differentiation, but with respect to which variable?"
Sorry, you're right. I should have put g(x) instead of f(y)

Thanks for the help guys, I think I get it now.
 
Prof. 27 said:

Homework Statement


dv/dt = 9.8 - 0.196v
Set in correct form:
dv/dt + 0.196v = 9.8
Since p(t) = 0.196, u(t) the integration factor is given by:
u(t) = e∫0.196 dt
Multiply each term by u(t) and rearrange:
(e∫0.196 dt)(dv/dt) + (0.196)(e∫0.196 dt)(v) = (9.8)(e∫0.196 dt)
From now on we will set e∫0.196 dt equal to D and leave it at that.
Here's where I no longer understand it. We take into consideration the product rule:
(f(x)*f(y))' = f'(x)f'(y) + f(x)f'(y)
Pauls' Online Notes gets:
(D*v)' = 9.8D

My question is, where did the 0.196 go? I don't see how he's justified in making p(t) just disappear.

Homework Equations


(f(x)*f(y))' = f'(x)f'(y) + f(x)f'(y)

The Attempt at a Solution


My Father who was a math major 30 years ago but went into business and has forgotten a lot
http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/Classes/DE/Linear.aspx

It is much easier to keep track of things and to trace errors if you write the problem and solution symbolically first, then plug in numbers at the very end.

So, your DE has the form ##dv/dt = a - b v##, and it is just as easy to deal with this as with the version that uses explicit values ##a = 9.8## and ##b = 0.196## at the outset. Note that the RHS has the form ##-b(v - a/b)##, so you will get a simpler problem if you look at ##w = v - a/b## instead of ##v##.
 
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