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First person without a legal gender

  1. Mar 22, 2010 #1
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  3. Mar 22, 2010 #2
    I believe its mind told it it's nothing really.

    By the way, can you point out any difference between a 'gender identity' and a 'subculture', any thing that does not apply to the former but does to the later or the reverse. Because I haven't found it and neither has any person that I know of.

    There are people that are so into anime they want to be Japanese and are distressed by their not being. There are people that are so into female stuff that they want to be female, and are distressed by their not being.
  4. Mar 22, 2010 #3
    Those people are weird and should be marooned on an island in the south Atlantic.
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    http://blog.oregonlive.com/qpdx/2008/08/small_trans-bathroom.jpg [Broken]
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  7. Mar 22, 2010 #6
    Ahahaha, interesting.

    Consider this thread my coming out by the way, I don't have a gender identity, and I never got the business either.

    What does 'having an identity', any identity mean really? It just means you 'see yourself' as 'male' or as 'female' or something? How can you 'see yourself' as that? What does it even mean to be that?

    How can you 'see yourself' as some-thing, as any-thing, I don't get it. I mean, I get it if it's some defined thing, but then you don't 'see yourself' as it, then you're just it, or you aren't. But things like 'gender' or 'human' or 'punker' or 'republican' or 'Christian' are just so different, so vague, every one interprets it in a completely different way that I really don't get what it means any more to 'identify' as it.
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    Balancing the cost of adding a tri-bool type for gender to all RDMS and fixing millions of tables in millions of databases vs just putting out a hit - I think the association of database admins are going to be making a call to someone called 'vinne the...'

    Then maybe we can get a bulk deal on people with names longer than 80chars, people with a ' and anyone who insists that von or van shouldn't be ordered under 'v'
  9. Mar 22, 2010 #8
    You are a male if you have a penis.

    A female if you have a vagina.

    You are still a male even if you removed your penis.

    You are still a female even if you removed your vagina.

    There is no in between. It is black and white, no matter how your mind "sees yourself."
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    Generally a good guideline in a bar.

    But leaving aside this 'personal choice' case - external dangly bits and chromosomes don't always tell the same story.
    You can be a male with an insensitivity to testosterone which will give you a vagina and no penis.
  11. Mar 22, 2010 #10
    Sure? Why do you complain then if people act out a different gender?

    You just said they stay male or female? By your own definition here, these people you don't like because they are a different gender than they claim in fact are still the same gender?

    You just said it, saying you are female or male doesn't change a thing about your gender, so where do you complain about? By your own definition, these people you're so scared of don't exist.
  12. Mar 22, 2010 #11
    What if you removed your penis and gained a vagina? Then you "have a vagina", so by your definition are female. Never mind hermaphrodites...

    Probably a better way to define it is with chromosomes, but then you're still left with http://www.wisegeek.com/what-are-xxy-chromosomes.htm".

    I guess my point is: Gender is not as well defined as you'd like to think it is.
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  13. Mar 22, 2010 #12
    Well, there is the SRY gene, however, the argument that can never be overcome is mosaics. A lot of people are so called mosaics, if by the first, or the second division of a fertilized zygote a functional mutation occurs, 1/4 or 1/2 of your cells will simply have different DNA, if it's not in antigens, this will not cause any bad sides, in fact, it's why some people have two colours of hairdo or two different eye colours.

    What if this happens to your SRY gene hmm?
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  14. Mar 22, 2010 #13
    Fail. Google 'ambiguous genitalia'
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    By any definition that matters ms Cossey is female

    Same thing as multiple chromosones, eg XXY and XYY
    If you are male and have a faulty SRY you look like a women.
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  16. Mar 22, 2010 #15

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    What if you were born with both? (Some people are!) What if you were born with a half-formed mess that is really neither? (Some people are!) What if you were born with something indeterminate, and the doctors decided to do some rearranging to make you into one or the other, so that you wouldn't feel out of place at school? (It happens more often than you might think!)

    It's rather silly to pretend there must be a strict dichotomy, when in fact there exist people whose physical bodies explicitly violate that dichotomy. Who cares? Let people be who they want to be, I say.
  17. Mar 22, 2010 #16
    They can be who they want to be, as long as they are on the island in the South Atlantic with the rest of the "I dunnos"
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    As long as they pick one and I don't have to create a check box that says:
    male, female, don't know, don't care, male-female, female-male, male but like to wear clean shirts, female but understands the offside rule,etc.

    I'm not rewriting websites to accomodate a slider control for gender.

    It's bad enough having to handle people with accents - I hope that midget pop star with the squiggle for a name never catches on again.
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    You've been to Tasmania as well then?
  20. Mar 22, 2010 #19
    Here's a new one: why is there a check box for your gender on so many things where it's not relevant?

    Is it relevant what my gender is for the taxes I pay? Do males get to pay less taxes than females? Why do I have to fill it in there?

    Why do I have to fill my gender in if I sign up to a forum, do I get banned less easily if I'm a girl?

    When people ask me for my sex I say 'male', I have a clear penis, if people ask me for my gender I say 'none', it's like people asking you if you're conservative or liberal, you have to pick either, you can't say 'Well, I think I share elements of both' or 'I decide issue per issue.'

    Also, saying you have to keep your gender and sex aligned is like saying you have to be conservative if you're born in the southern US.
  21. Mar 22, 2010 #20
    Because of demographics. Information on who you are, what you pay, what you watch, what you like all help in companies providing the best product to please everyone.
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