Fizeau's Experiment (Speed of light)

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The discussion focuses on Fizeau's Experiment to calculate the speed of light using a rotating gear with N teeth and frequency f. The key equations used include the speed formula \(c = \frac{2L}{t}\) and the time period \(t = \frac{1}{2fN}\). The participants derive the speed of light as \(c = \frac{4LNf}{2n-1}\), where n represents the number of eclipses. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding the relationship between the gear's rotation and the light's travel time in determining the speed of light.

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Homework Statement



In the Fizeau's Experiment to determine the speed of light, let the gear have N teeth, the frequency of the rotating gear being f, the distance traveled by the light beam/ray L (distance b/w the gear and the mirror) and let there be n eclipses(blocking of the light beam).
Calculate the speed of light.
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Homework Equations


$$Speed =\frac {Distance} {Time}$$
$$ f = \frac 1 T$$
Angular frequency(w) = 2πf

The Attempt at a Solution


So I tried solving this by using $$c(speed of light) = \frac {2L} t$$
where T will be the time for the light to pass through the teeth and then be reflected.If T is the time period of the gear, then $$t = \frac T {2N}$$
because I'm thinking that the time for one eclipse should be the time taken to go from A to B, which is equivalent to one tooth's length.
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$$⇒ t = \frac {1} {2fN}$$
And subsequently, c = 4LfN , but this doesn't include n.
So I tried a different approach and used the formula $$t = \frac d v$$
$$d = \frac {2πR} {2N}$$
v = (2πf)R
which again gives the same answer, without the n term.

I also thought of another situation, where the light goes through the gap and is blocked by some tooth(which is not the successive one) which seems absurd in itself and I don't really know how to continue.
The answer that was annouced in the class had something like (2n-1) in the denominator. I don't know where I'm going wrong.
Thank you.
 

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TachyonLord said:
because I'm thinking that the time for one eclipse should be the time taken to go from A to B, which is equivalent to one tooth's length.
It is 1/(2N) of one revolution in the first case (n=1), 3/(2N) of one revolution in the second case (n=2) and so on. Can you generalize this?
 
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mfb said:
It is 1/(2N) of one revolution in the first case (n=1), 3/(2N) of one revolution in the second case (n=2) and so on. Can you generalize this?
How does it become 3/(2N) for n=2 ? Could you explain ?
 
Gap to gap is 1/N, but you have 3/2 of that distance.
 
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mfb said:
Gap to gap is 1/N, but you have 3/2 of that distance.
Thank you so much ! After generalising, I'm getting $$\frac {4LNf} {2n-1}$$
Although I'm yet to confirm is this is the answer, but this is what I get. Again, thank you so much !
 
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mfb said:
It is 1/(2N) of one revolution in the first case (n=1), 3/(2N) of one revolution in the second case (n=2) and so on. Can you generalize this?
Okay just a teeny doubt, how do you define an eclipse ? I mean I used n in order to maintain the series but like what would be its physical significance ?
 
It is a rotation speed where the light can't return through a gap.
 

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