Floating Water Bridge and Dielectric Strength per Volume

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the floating water bridge experiment and the concept of dielectric strength in water, specifically focusing on the electrostatic breakdown of water and its measurement in relation to distance between electrodes. The scope includes theoretical understanding and practical implications of dielectric breakdown in a laboratory setting.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the occurrence of electrostatic discharge before the formation of the water bridge and questions the electrostatic breakdown of water, referencing a value of 65-70 MV/m.
  • Another participant clarifies that volts per meter (V/m) is a measure of electric field strength and does not require a volume measurement.
  • A participant proposes a scenario involving a 1 cubic centimeter container with electrodes 1 centimeter apart, questioning if the dielectric breakdown would scale to 600 kV.
  • Another participant responds, suggesting that the breakdown would be approximately 650 kV, confirming the scaling relationship.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants appear to agree on the concept that dielectric breakdown scales with distance, but there is no consensus on the exact values or implications of the breakdown in different scenarios.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the assumptions regarding the conditions under which dielectric breakdown occurs, nor does it clarify the dependence on specific experimental setups.

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I recently watched a great video demonstrating the floating water bridge experiment:



At around 34 sec, you can see an electrostatic discharge before the water bridge forms. I've read that this is due to the electrostatic breakdown of air between the two beakers.This made me curious about the electrostatic breakdown of water, which is listed on wiki as 65-70MV per meter. My question is, at what volume would this be true? If electrostatic breakdown is measured in volts/meter, would the volume be measured in cubic meters? Any help understanding this concept would be greatly appreciated!
 
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V/m is a measure of electric field: no volume required. So if you have two electrodes in water that are one meter apart, you need to apply 65 MV to get dielectric breakdown of the water.
 
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Thank you so much for responding. Just to make sure I understand this correctly, I'll purpose this scenario. Let's say I fill a 1 cubic centimeter container with water and place electrodes on either side. With roughly a distance of 1 centimeter (0.01m) between the electrodes, would the dielectric breakdown of the water equal 600kV?
 
More like 650 kV, but yes, that's how it scales.
 
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