Water as a dielectric. Is this video a good demonstration?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the properties of water as a dielectric material, particularly in the context of a video demonstration showing the effect of water on capacitance. Participants explore the implications of this demonstration for understanding the dielectric constant of water and its breakdown voltage.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that a video demonstration effectively shows water's properties as a dielectric, noting a significant increase in capacitance when water is used.
  • Another participant confirms that the dielectric constant of water at room temperature is approximately 80, aligning with the values discussed in the video.
  • There is a question about whether the scenario presented in the video can be used to hypothesize the behavior of water as a dielectric, with some participants expressing agreement on the validity of this approach.
  • A participant mentions that high purity water acts as a good insulator with a high breakdown voltage, referencing its use in high power applications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the dielectric constant of water being around 80 and its implications for capacitance. However, there are unresolved questions regarding the breakdown voltage of water and the effects of electrolysis in capacitors, indicating that the discussion remains somewhat open-ended.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes references to specific experimental conditions and assumptions about the purity of water, which may affect the dielectric properties and breakdown voltage. There are also mentions of previous calculations that were deemed inconclusive due to electrolysis, highlighting limitations in the analysis.

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I found, at least in my uneducated opinion, a very good demonstration of water as a dielectric. I understand that putting water in a bag will change the dielectric constant of the water in it somewhat, but I think the capacitance meter at least makes water's value as a dielectric visually quantifiable. In the video, the ziplock bag of water increases the capacitance of the capacitor by a factor of 100.



Over a week ago, I posted a homework question I theorized regarding the breakdown voltage of water. But due to electrolysis in the capacitor, the calculations were deemed inconclusive. Could I use this scenario as a basis for hypothesizing the behavior of water as a dielectric? Any thoughts on this are greatly appreciated.

https://www.physicsforums.com/threa...air-and-water-capacitors.939151/#post-5940147
 
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HelloCthulhu said:
Could I use this scenario as a basis for hypothesizing the behavior of water as a dielectric?
Why would you think otherwise? As ygggdrasil said, and as the guy in the video said, water has a dialectic constant of about 80 and air is 1.
 
phinds said:
Why would you think otherwise? As ygggdrasil said, and as the guy in the video said, water has a dialectic constant of about 80 and air is 1.

Just making sure! I'll repost the equations I was working on in the chem homework thread. I hope I get it right this time.
 
HelloCthulhu said:
regarding the breakdown voltage of water.
High purity water is a pretty good insulator with a high breakdown voltage. High power Radio Valves have water cooled Anodes and they have EHT voltages of tens of kV.
 
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