Fluid Dynamics, Buoyancy problem

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The discussion revolves around a fluid dynamics problem related to buoyancy, specifically calculating the volume of helium needed to lift a balloon with a 400 kg payload to an altitude of 8000 m. The problem incorporates the changing density of air with altitude, described by an exponential function.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the buoyancy equation but expresses uncertainty about the correct application and the relationship between buoyancy and the payload's weight. Some participants suggest determining the air density at 8000 m to find the required buoyancy, while others question how to use the exponential density function.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different aspects of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the calculation of air density at altitude, but there is no explicit consensus on the approach to take or the assumptions involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the need to consider the weight of helium in the buoyancy calculations, and there is uncertainty about the use of calculus in relation to the exponential function provided in the problem statement.

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Homework Statement


How many cubic metres of helium are required to lift a balloon with a 400 kg payload to 8000 m? Assume balloon maintains constant volume, and density of the air decreases with altitude z according to the expression \rhoair = \rho^e^-z/8000, where z is in metres and po = 1.25 kg/m^3 is the density of air at sea level.


Homework Equations


\rhoo = \rhofluid(g)h
B = \rho[(g)V
\rho[ = m/v

mg < \rho(g)V (Not sure if this is right?? But buoyancy should be stronger if it is to rise, correct?)

I'm not sure how to go about this. I see I need to find volume, so I know the Buoyancy equation with be used, and I think I should find the Buoyancy-- so I assume I need to find the Buoyant force on the "payload" (whatever that is.) Since I don't know the payload's density or volume, I figure that probably
mg = \rho(g)V
(400)(9.81) = B = \rho(g)V

But this doesn't seem to make sense to me??
 
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You need to determine what's the \rho of air at 8000m to be able to find out the required buoyancy.
I don't know if its requires, but take into consideration the weight of helium too.
 
Ah :( So I have to use that bit with the e? I'm not really sure how :[ I'm assuming it's some kind of calculus thing...? Related rates, perhaps?
 
Just plug in the z, which would be 8000m, and e is a known constant, just like pi.
 

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