Fluid Dynamics Forces: Steady, Pressure-Driven Flow Between Parallel Plates

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The problem involves analyzing the flow of an incompressible viscous fluid between two parallel plates, one stationary and the other moving. Participants are tasked with finding the velocity profile of the fluid, considering different pressure gradients, and calculating the forces per unit area on the plates.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the application of the Navier-Stokes equations and the continuity equation to derive the velocity profile. There are attempts to integrate these equations and apply boundary conditions, leading to questions about the correctness of the derived expressions and the implications of different pressure gradients.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on rearranging equations and evaluating boundary conditions. There is ongoing exploration of how the velocity profile behaves under varying conditions, with some questioning the physical reasoning behind the results. Multiple interpretations of the velocity profile are being considered, particularly regarding the effects of viscosity and pressure gradients.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential issues with the derived velocity profile, especially when arbitrary values are plugged in, leading to unexpected results such as negative velocities. There is also mention of the need to clarify the relationship between the pressure gradient and the resulting flow behavior.

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I would really appreciate any help with this problem. I'm pretty stuck.

Homework Statement



An incompressible viscous fluid occupies the region between two parallel plates. The lower plate is stationary and the upper plate moves with a velocity u. Find the velocity of a steady, pressure-driven flow between the plates. Sketch the velocity profice and consider separately the cases where the pressure gradient is positive or negative. Compute the force per unit area on the upper and lower plates.


Homework Equations



most likely navier stokes for incompressible Newtonian fluids found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navier-Stokes_equations

and continuity equation for fluid dynamics, found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuity_equation

The Attempt at a Solution



If the upper plate is taken to be moving in the x-direction, then (velocity) Vy = Vz =0.

With the continuity equation, d(rho)/dt becomes zero as the fluid is incompressible so density never changes. WHere U is fluid velocity, Continuity becomes del(dot)(rho*u) = (del(rho))(dot)u + rho(del(dot)u). (del(rho))(dot)u is zero due to incompressibility as well, so this gives dUx/dx + dUz/dz = 0.

Vz is 0 at the bottom and top plate and thus everywhere else. so Vz=0, dUz/dz=0, dUx/dx=0 by symmetry

so Ux is a function of z. Ux=Ux(z)

WIth the navier stokes equation becomes
0=-dP/dx+μ((d^2)Ux/dz^2)
integrating both sides gives
dUx/dz=1/μ *dP/dx *z + C
Ux(z) = 1/2μ * dP/dx Z^2 + C(1)z + C(2)

Applying the boundary conditions: Ux(0)=0 -> C(2)=0
Ux(h) = V0 -> C(1)=V0/h-1/2μ*dP/dx*h

After this I'm not sure about the pressure gradients part or the forcer per unit area on the plates. I'm not even completely sure I did the flow velocity (Ux(z))) part correctly. Any help would be really appreciated.

I also hope you can understand what I wrote, it's quite hard to type these formulas.

Thanks
 
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WIth the navier stokes equation becomes
0=-dP/dx+μ((d^2)Ux/dz^2)
integrating both sides gives
dUx/dz=1/μ *dP/dx *z + C
Ux(z) = 1/2μ * dP/dx Z^2 + C(1)z + C(2)

Applying the boundary conditions: Ux(0)=0 -> C(2)=0
Ux(h) = V0 -> C(1)=V0/h-1/2μ*dP/dx*h
Seems correct. Now, rearrange it to get,

[tex]U_x(z) = \frac{z(dP/dx)(z-h)}{2 \mu} + V_0z/h[/tex]

How will the plot of U_x(z) vs z, look when dP/dx is positive or negative? If you want, you can put numbers and check the plots.

After this I'm not sure about the pressure gradients part or the forcer per unit area on the plates.

Now that you've got the velocity profile, and you know that the shear stress is [tex]\mu \frac{dV}{dz}[/tex], can you calculate the forcer per unit area on the plates?
 
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Thanks a lot!

So the force per unit area on the upper plate would be
[tex]\frac{1}{2}(dP/dx)h+\frac{muU}{h}[/tex]

and on the lower plate, it would be

[tex]\frac{muU}{h}-\frac{1}{2}(dP/dx)h[/tex]
If i haven't made a mistake

However, I still have a question about the velocity profile. When plugging in arbitrary numbers, the profile changes drastically depending on the μ value in the positive dP/dx case. With a small μ, the velocity can suddenly become negative between the plates. With the negative dP/dx case, the flow increases in the Z direction as expected, but then suddenly slows when z=h at the top plate. If the top plate is causing the movement of the fluid, then the flow velocity should be greatest at the top plate (z=h). The physical reasoning velocity profile is of a 0 fluid velocity at the bottom plate (Z=0) increasing linearly to a velocity V=U at the top plate (Z=h). Neither of these cases match. The only thing I can think of is if my original velocity equation is wrong.
 
So the force per unit area on the upper plate would be
[tex]\frac{1}{2}(dP/dx)h+\frac{muU}{h}[/tex]

and on the lower plate, it would be

[tex]\frac{muU}{h}-\frac{1}{2}(dP/dx)h[/tex]
If i haven't made a mistake

How did you get that? For example, if you want to find the stress at the lower plate, evaluate [tex]dU_x/dz[/tex] at z=0, and multiply it with [tex]\mu[/tex]. Can you take it from here?
quickdry said:
However, I still have a question about the velocity profile. When plugging in arbitrary numbers, the profile changes drastically depending on the μ value in the positive dP/dx case. With a small μ, the velocity can suddenly become negative between the plates.

Interesting, isn't it? And it's true!

Consider the equation,
[tex]v_z = \frac{z(dP/dx)(z-h)}{2 \mu} + V_0z/h[/tex]

The first term, [tex]\frac{z(dP/dx)(z-h)}{2 \mu}[/tex], is a parabola, and the second term, [tex]V_0z/h[/tex] is a straight line. When dP/dx is positive, notice that they have opposite signs. The final answer will be a superposition of these two.

If the top plate is causing the movement of the fluid, then the flow velocity should be greatest at the top plate (z=h). The physical reasoning velocity profile is of a 0 fluid velocity at the bottom plate (Z=0) increasing linearly to a velocity V=U at the top plate (Z=h).

No, that's not right.

The linear increase will take place only when the pressure gradient is 0.
 
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siddharth said:
How did you get that? For example, if you want to find the stress at the lower plate, evaluate [tex]dU_x/dz[/tex] at z=0, and multiply it with [tex]\mu[/tex]. Can you take it from here?

haha, sorry, I actually did this but I made a stupid mistake in derivation mixed with messing up how to use "Latex". I have an answer that makes more sense now.

I think I understand the velocity profile now too.

Thanks a lot for your help, I really appreciate it.
 

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