Fluids - Bernoulli's equation - (First and Third Terms)

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The discussion revolves around understanding the terms in Bernoulli's equation, specifically the differences between Static Pressure and Hydrostatic Pressure. Participants explore the implications of these terms within the context of fluid dynamics, energy conservation, and the conditions under which Bernoulli's equation applies.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes Static Pressure as the pressure exerted by fluid molecules on each other and the container walls, questioning if it can be considered as internal energy capable of doing work.
  • Another participant suggests viewing Bernoulli's equation as an energy conversion equation, proposing a reformulation in terms of energy per unit volume.
  • Some participants clarify that the first term in Bernoulli's equation represents hydrostatic pressure from the environment, particularly in open systems, while the second term is identified as dynamic pressure dependent on fluid velocity.
  • There is a discussion about the third term representing potential energy due to the weight of fluid above, with one participant noting that this term may disappear in horizontal pipes due to lack of height difference.
  • One participant emphasizes that pressure can be treated as potential energy per unit volume, linking it to the conservation of energy concept.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of Static Pressure and Hydrostatic Pressure, with some clarifications and corrections being made. However, no consensus is reached on the definitions or implications of these terms.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the need for careful consideration of definitions and the conditions under which Bernoulli's equation is applicable, including steady state flow and incompressible fluids. Some assumptions about the system boundaries and external influences are also noted but remain unresolved.

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Hello,

I am having some difficulty in understanding the terms in Bernoulli's equation.

Bernoulli's equation is given as follows:
P + 0.5(rho)(V^2) + (rho)gh = constant (along a streamline)
  • The first term (P) is the Static Pressure.
  • The second term (0.5(rho)(V^2)) is the Dynamic (Kinetic) Pressure.
  • The third term ((rho)gh) is the Hydrostatic Pressure.
Bernoulli's equation is only applicable along a streamline in steady state flow, inviscid flow (shear stress = 0), and incompressible fluids.

I am having difficulty in understanding the difference between the first term (Static Pressure) and third term (Hydrostatic Pressure) in Bernoulli's equation. Here's what I understand so far.

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The Static Pressure is the pressure (force/area) that the fluid molecules exert on each other and the walls of the container. Can I think of this as the internal energy of the fluid molecules? Meaning that this is the energy that the fluid molecules possesses to do something (work?). Can I think of Static Pressure as a Pressure (Force/Area) which has an ability to do work?

If so, then the Static Pressure is the same in the entire fluid at a given steady state. If the force exerted by the fluid molecules increases, the static pressure of the system also increases. This increase in pressure can be created with a differential pressure, hence you get a moving fluid, hence you get a velocity and hence this is where the Dynamic (Kinetic) Pressure comes into play.

The Hydrostatic Pressure is the pressure at a depth felt by the weight of the fluid above. This pressure increases with depth as there is more fluid weight above.

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Is my understanding correct? Please feel free to correct anything I have written above in terms of terminology, description, and meaning. Any analogies are also welcome in the understanding of the three terms in Bernoulli's equation.
 
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Its an energy conversion equation. Maybe is better to look in this form to beter understand the terms.
E= En+Ek+Ep = P1V1+1/2mv2+mgh

En- external work applied on the system
Ek- kinetic energy of the system
Ep- potential energy of the system

And your equation is represents the Bernoulli equation in terms of energy per unit volume.

- So the first term is hidrostatic pressure, but hidrostatic pressure of the environment outside the system. If the system on both sides is open to the atmospheric pressure, like a bucket full of water with a hole in the bottom, and you are watching the two open sections then this term will be zero because there will be no pressure difference (no work from outside) acting on the system.
- The second term as you said is the dynamic presure which depends of the square of the speed of the fluid.
- The third term represents the potential difference between the two sections of the system and essentially is the pressure at a depth felt by the weight of the fluid above. If you have a horizontal pipe, this member will disappear because there will be no height deference between the sections.
 
That isn't entirely correct either. For the most part, these explanations are correct with a few details off.

It does represent conservation of energy as previously stated.

So let's rewrite the equation:
<br /> P + \frac{\rho V^2}{2} + \rho gz = Const.<br />

In general, conservation of energy says that the total energy is equal to potential energy plus kinetic energy. We all know the form of the equation for kinetic energy, and \frac{\rho V^2}{2} looks an awful lot like it. In fact, that term represents the fluid kinetic energy per unit volume. The remaining two terms are forms of potential energy. \rho gz is obviously the gravitational potential energy (again, per unit volume). Those terms are easy.

Pressure isn't quite as clear. The force exerted on a fluid by pressure is defined as F=-\nabla P. That implies that -P can be treated as a potential and the P term is the potential energy per unit volume in the system due to the pressure force.
 
As I said, that form that you wrote comes from the conservation energy law and it is in units energy per volume, I clearly stated that above.

The pressure represents the pressure that acts from the environment on the boundaries of the system that we chose.
 

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