Bernoulli equation and parallel pipe branch

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of the Bernoulli equation in the context of fluid flow through a pipe with a parallel branch. Participants explore how flow establishes in scenarios involving changes in pipe diameter and the effects of head loss due to friction.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a scenario where a pipe expands and then contracts, questioning how flow behaves when a parallel branch is introduced.
  • Another participant suggests that introducing a branch will disturb the established flow and pressure conditions, potentially leading to a change in flow direction.
  • A mathematical formulation of the energy equation is presented, comparing pressures and flow rates between points in the main pipe and the branch.
  • Concerns are raised about the validity of the equations used for the looping branch, with participants questioning the assumptions made in deriving them.
  • Discussion includes the idea that the total flow rate must be conserved, leading to confusion about how flow can be established in the presence of a parallel branch.
  • One participant emphasizes that the conservation of energy principles differ from Bernoulli's assumptions, particularly regarding shear and flow distribution in parallel pipes.
  • Another participant humorously notes that the configuration seems to imply the creation of additional flow, which contradicts conservation principles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints regarding the behavior of flow in the described scenarios, with no consensus reached on how the flow will establish or the implications of introducing the branch. Multiple competing views remain on the effects of pressure and head loss in the system.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in their assumptions, particularly regarding the effects of friction, the geometry of the pipe system, and the conditions under which the Bernoulli equation applies. The discussion highlights unresolved mathematical steps and the complexity of flow behavior in the presence of parallel branches.

  • #31
With an external tool like Paraview it should be possible, but I've never used it so far and it's rather complicated. At least I didn't manage to do it yet and would need some time to learn it first (it's not as intuitive as I hoped). If anybody is experienced enough I could upload the measurement data, though.
 
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  • #32
axim said:
With an external tool like Paraview it should be possible, but I've never used it so far and it's rather complicated. At least I didn't manage to do it yet and would need some time to learn it first (it's not as intuitive as I hoped). If anybody is experienced enough I could upload the measurement data, though.
Ideally, I would stretch this system out horizontally to allow the flow to fully develop in each section too.
 

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