Fluids - maximum error - diameters

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The problem involves understanding the maximum error introduced by approximating the expression \((D/d)^4 - 1\) as \((D/d)^4\) in the context of a fluid dynamics experiment. The original poster mentions specific diameters for a bottle and a drainage hole, raising questions about the implications of this approximation on measurements related to acceleration and drainage time.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the meaning of "error" and the distinction between true values and approximations. There is confusion regarding how to apply the approximation in the context of the given problem. Some participants attempt to calculate maximum error using different ratios of diameters, while others question the equivalence of the expressions involved.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of the problem. Some have offered insights into the definitions of error and approximation, while others express confusion about the relationship between the expressions and how to approach the calculations. There is no explicit consensus on the correct interpretation or method to solve the problem.

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Participants note that the problem involves specific measurements and approximations, and there is mention of imposed homework constraints, including a deadline for submission. The original poster indicates a sense of urgency due to the approaching deadline for lab participation.

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1. Homework Statement :
The expressions you obtained for acceleration and drainage time (equations 3 and 4 in the manual) both contain the following factor or something equivalent: (D/d)^4-1
In the lab, we will be dealing with a bottle with a diameter around 9 cm. A typical diameter of the drainage hole is 8 mm. With these numbers, what is the maximum error that we introduce in the expression above if we use the approximation:
(D/d)^4-1 ~ (D/d)^4
This is a small error compared to the uncertainties in the lab (the motion detector alone has a resolution of 1 mm. Since we will be measuring distances of the order of 20 cm, this is already a 0.5% uncertainty.)

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This question makes NO sense to me. I don't get the point of the approximation equation.

The Attempt at a Solution


Wouldn't the maximum error just be 9cm/8mm or 9/.08 = 112.5 OR would it be .08/9 =
.008 or 2/225? I've tried both of these answers but the program didn't accept either. What am I doing wrong? How am I supposed to use the approximation equation listed in the question? Thank you sooooo much, this is due tomorrow night so I'm allowed to enter the lab/participate on Monday.
 
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Look, you just need to think about these things. Think about what the meaning of "error" is. Think about what the "true" value is, what the "approximation" is, and what you can do to arrive at the difference between the two.
 
Error: The difference between the result of the measurement and the true value of what you're measuring.
True value: What the actual value should be.
Approximation: What you approximated or rounded the measurement to.
Well, I believe from the above problem that the approximation would be within 8 mm or .08 cm of the true value. Is that correct?
I'm still confused on what the question is asking. Why do they say something about (D/d)^4 -1 = (D/d)^4 ; I don't understand how those equations are equal. And I don't understand how I'm supposed to use them to answer the question.
 
bcalkins said:
Error: The difference between the result of the measurement and the true value of what you're measuring.
True value: What the actual value should be.
Approximation: What you approximated or rounded the measurement to.
Well, I believe from the above problem that the approximation would be within 8 mm or .08 cm of the true value.
What is it that is being approximated? (Hint: it is not a distance.)
 
Acceleration and drainage time?
 
"the maximum error that we introduce in the expression above" where the expression above was "(D/d)^4-1". OK, it did earlier refer to "The expressions you obtained for acceleration and drainage time", but those expressions did not appear "above".
Anyway, the question says "(D/d)^4-1" appears as a factor in the expressions for acceleration and drainage times, so assuming they want the percentage error, it's the same answer in all three cases. So just take it as asking for the percentage error that arises from using (D/d)^4 in place of (D/d)^4-1.
 

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