Flywheel Help: Which Will Keep Turning Longest?

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The discussion revolves around the performance of flywheels of different weights (400lbs, 800lbs, and 2000lbs) in terms of how long they will continue to spin under various conditions, particularly focusing on the effects of friction and rotational kinetic energy.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions which flywheel will keep turning the longest, suggesting a comparison based on weight.
  • Another participant proposes that if all flywheels start at the same speed and experience the same friction, the heaviest flywheel will spin the longest, but notes that it may also experience more friction.
  • A different participant states that in the absence of friction, all flywheels would rotate indefinitely due to conservation of angular momentum, but under friction, the flywheel with the highest rotational kinetic energy will last longer.
  • One participant asks how the actual rotational friction would differ among the flywheels if they all have the same frictional coefficient.
  • Another participant asserts that friction is directly proportional to the normal force, which is also proportional to mass, indicating that increasing mass will increase friction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the impact of weight and friction on the spinning duration of flywheels. There is no consensus on the definitive outcome, as various factors such as friction and rotational kinetic energy are debated.

Contextual Notes

Assumptions regarding friction, mass distribution, and the conditions under which the flywheels operate are not fully resolved, leading to uncertainty in the discussion.

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I have 3 x Flywheels of equal dimensions but different weight eg a.400lbs b.800lbs c.2000lbs,which one will keep turning the longest? Or is there no difference?
 
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If they start at the same speed, and you assume that they all have experience the same friction, the heaviest will spin the longest. However, the heavier wheel is likely to experience more friction than the lighter wheels.
 
Assuming zero friction, all three flywheels will continue to rotate forever, in accordance with the law of conservation of angular momentum.
But when equal amount of friction is assumed to act on all three flywheels, then the flywheel with maximum rotational kinetic energy will rotate longer.
Rotational kinetic energy=(mass moment of inertia * (angular velocity)^2)/2
Notice that the formula for rotational kinetic energy is similar to kinetic energy formula in linear motion.
Mass moment of inertia is the rotational counterpart of mass(inertia) in linear motion,
Mass moment of inertia = mass * (radius of gyration)^2
Radius of gyration is a measure of how far the mass is distributed away from the axis of rotation.
 
Assuming the surfaces experiencing friction were the same (same frictional coeffiecient?), how much would the actual rotational friction differ due to different masses?
 
pa5tabear said:
Assuming the surfaces experiencing friction were the same (same frictional coeffiecient?), how much would the actual rotational friction differ due to different masses?

Friction is directly proportional the normal force. This means it's also directly proportional to mass, so doubling the mass will double the friction.
 

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