Flywheel KERS CVT: Maintaining Constant Power Output

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The discussion revolves around the mechanics of the "flybrid" mechanical flywheel-based KERS (Kinetic Energy Recovery System) used in Formula 1 cars, specifically focusing on how it maintains a constant power output of 60 kW for a duration of 6.67 seconds during energy recovery. Participants explore the role of the continuously variable transmission (CVT) in achieving this constant power output despite the flywheel's decreasing rotational speed.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how the flywheel can provide a constant power output as it slows down, suggesting that the CVT must play a role in maintaining this output.
  • Another participant provides links to resources about the flybrid system, indicating that the information available is largely consistent across sources.
  • A later reply notes that the power output numbers are based on F1 regulations, explaining the relationship between energy stored and time to achieve the power output, and mentions the CVT's role in controlling energy input and discharge.
  • The same reply elaborates on the CVT's function, describing its use of torque control and a slip clutch to manage output torque and rotational speed, though the exact mechanisms are not fully detailed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the role of the CVT in managing the power output of the flywheel system, but there remains uncertainty about the specific mechanisms involved in maintaining a constant power output as the flywheel slows down.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the operation of the CVT and the flywheel system, but does not resolve the specifics of how these components interact to maintain power output.

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I've been reading a lot on the "flybrid" mechanical flywheel based KERS system which was developed for use on F1 cars. I understand the basics of how energy is stored in this system, however, when it is recovered, it is said to provide a constant 60kW of power for 6.67 seconds. I'm confused on how the flywheel is used to provide this constant energy output because to my understanding, as the flywheel slows down, the power that it provides must also decrease. I assume that the CVT is somehow used to maintain this constant power output, but I have no idea how the CVT would change its gear ratios in order to keep the power at 60kW. Could someone please explain?
 
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bartrocs said:
I've been reading a lot on the "flybrid" mechanical flywheel based KERS system which was developed for use on F1 cars. I understand the basics of how energy is stored in this system, however, when it is recovered, it is said to provide a constant 60kW of power for 6.67 seconds. I'm confused on how the flywheel is used to provide this constant energy output because to my understanding, as the flywheel slows down, the power that it provides must also decrease. I assume that the CVT is somehow used to maintain this constant power output, but I have no idea how the CVT would change its gear ratios in order to keep the power at 60kW. Could someone please explain?

Links? :smile:
 
berkeman said:
Links? :smile:

http://www.flybridsystems.com/F1System.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtGB173abNA
http://www.racecar-engineering.com/articles/f1/flywheel-hybrid-systems-kers/

These are some that I found through Google. There are others but they all contain essentially the same info. I'm on mobile and don't know how to make the links clickable. Sorry
 
Note that those numbers are based on the regulations set up by F1. 400 kJ per lap at a maximum of 60 kW.
So, in order to achieve a maximum power boost, one can utilize those 400 kJ over a minimum time-frame of 6.67 seconds (400 kJ / 6.67 s = 59.97 kW). They use a CVT on the driveline to control both how the energy goes into the flywheel and how it is discharged.

Exactly how they are used to maintain smooth power output depends on the exact system, but basically the CVT system uses the torque control (or gear-ratio-changer-thingy-mechanism, as I can't come up with a better name) spring to change the output torque, and a high performance slip clutch to vary output rotational speed.
 
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