For what values of k will the equation have no real roots?

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The discussion revolves around determining the values of k for which the quadratic equation 2x^2 - 3x + kx = -1/2 has no real roots. Participants are analyzing the discriminant of the quadratic equation to establish conditions on k.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are attempting to identify the correct coefficients a, b, and c from the quadratic equation and are discussing the implications of the discriminant being less than zero. There are various interpretations of the equation and its components, leading to questions about the accuracy of the values assigned to b and c.

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There is ongoing exploration of the discriminant and its implications for the values of k. Some participants have pointed out potential errors in the original setup, while others are clarifying the standard form of the quadratic equation. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being considered, and productive guidance has been offered regarding the discriminant.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework guidelines, which may limit the information they can share or the methods they can use. There is also a focus on ensuring the correct formulation of the quadratic equation before proceeding with the analysis.

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Homework Statement


2x^2-3x+kx=-1/2

1. k<1 or k>1
2. 1<=k<=5
3. k<=1 or k>=5
1<k<5

Homework Equations


b^2-4ac
a=2 b=3 c=k

The Attempt at a Solution


(3)^2-4(2)(k)
=9-8k<0
=9/8<k
=1&1/8<k

I get the answer above but don't know how it relates?
Any insight would be appreciated.

Thank you,
Jaco
 
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Find the discriminant of your quadratic equation. The equation has no real roots if the discriminant is less than zero.
 
Jaco Viljoen said:

Homework Statement


2x^2-3x+kx=-1/2

Homework Equations


b^2-4ac
a=2 b=3 c=k
Look at the original equation again.

What is the coefficient on x? What is the constant term?
 
Are you sure about your value for b?
 
Jbriggs,
I have been looking at other threads and found a similar example and there:
(-3)^2-4(2)(k+1/2)
=-9-8k+4
=-5-8k
=> k=5/8
Thank you for pointing that out Marcus
 
Is this correct?
 
It doesn't look correct. What is the general form of a quadratic equation? Write your equation in a way that imitates that general form and identify correctly the values of a,b,c. Then write down the general definition of the discriminant, and substitute your values of a,b,c into it. The solve the inequality (discriminant) < 0 for k.
 
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Jaco Viljoen said:

Homework Statement


2x^2-3x+kx=-1/2

1. k<1 or k>1
2. 1<=k<=5
3. k<=1 or k>=5
1<k<5

Homework Equations


b^2-4ac
a=2 b=3 c=k

The Attempt at a Solution


(3)^2-4(2)(k)
=9-8k<0
=9/8<k
=1&1/8<k

I get the answer above but don't know how it relates?
Any insight would be appreciated.

Thank you,
Jaco
Please restate the entire problem as it was given to you.

You may have a typo in the quadratic expression as you posted it. If it's correct as it is, then you still do not have the correct b or c .
 
Sammy,
For what values of k will the equation 2x^2 -3x + kx = -1/2 have no real roots?

Possible answers:
1. k<1 or k>1
2. 1<=k<=5
3. k<=1 or k>=5
1<k<5
 
  • #10
Everyone responding to this thread is attempting to point out that the b and c that you have harvested from that equation are wrong.
 
  • #11
ok, I have been considering this too as:
(3x+kx)^2-4(2)(-1/2)
(3x+kx)(3x+kx)+4
9x^2+3kx^2+3kx^2+k^2x^2
9x^2+6kx^2+k^2x^2
 
  • #12
Re-read post #7 above. What is the standard form for a quadratic equation? Can you restate the original equation in that form?
 
  • #13
ax^2+bx+c=0
2x^2+(3x+kx)+1/2=0
2x^2+3x+kx=-1/2
kx=-1/2-2x^2-3x
k=(1/2-2x^2-3x)/x
 
  • #14
wow, i feel more confused...
 
  • #15
Jaco Viljoen said:
ax^2+bx+c=0
2x^2+(3x+kx)+1/2=0
It's good to this point.

Take the expression in parentheses and factor out x.
 
  • #16
2x^2+(3x+kx)+1/2=0
2x^2+x(3+k)+1/2=0
2x^2+(3+k)(x+1/2)=0
2x^2+3x+1&1/2+kx+1/2k=0
kx+1/2k=-2x^2-3x-1&1/2
3/2kx=-2x+3+1&1/2
3kx=-4x+9
k=(-4x+9)/x
 
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  • #17
Jaco Viljoen said:
2x^2+(3x+kx)+1/2=0
2x^2+x(3+k)+1/2=0
Stop at this point !
2x^2+(3+k)(x+1/2)=0
2x^2+3x+1&1/2+kx+1/2k=0
kx+1/2k=-2x^2-3x-1&1/2
1&1/2k=(-2x+3+1&1/2)/x
What is the coefficient of x ?
 
  • #18
1?
 
  • #19
Jaco Viljoen said:
1
In the expression 2x2 + 3x + 4, what is the coefficient on the "x" term?
 
  • #20
3
 
  • #21
Good.

Now, in the expression 2x2 + x(3+k) + 1/2, what is the coefficient on the x term?
 
  • #22
2x^2+1x(3+k)+1/2

1 or is it still 3?

2x^2+1x(3+k)+1/2
 
  • #23
I am missing this, I just can't seem to get it...
 
  • #24
Its not the 2 is it?
 
  • #25
What if we write it like this?

2x2 + (3+k)x + (1/2) = 0

What is the coefficient of x2 ?

What is the coefficient of x ?

What is the constant term ?
 
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  • #26
2
3+k
1/2
 
  • #27
Jaco Viljoen said:
2
3+k
1/2
Now proceed.
 
  • #28
x^2+(3+k)+1/2=0
like this?
 
  • #29
x^2+(3+k)+1/2=0
a b c
x = (-(3+k) +/-√((3+k)2 - 4x^2(1/2)))/2x^2
 
  • #30
Jaco Viljoen said:
x^2+(3+k)+1/2=0
a b c
x = (-(3+k) +/-√((3+k)2 - 4x^2(1/2)))/2x^2

In the discriminant you where you are trying to write b^2 - 4ac. What was the value you came up with for a again?
 

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