Force acting on a dipole in non-uniform electric field.

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The discussion revolves around calculating the force acting on a dipole with a dipole moment in the presence of a non-uniform electric field created by a line charge of density λ. Participants explore how the dipole moment interacts with the electric field at a distance r from the line charge.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss calculating the force on individual charges of the dipole and question how the dipole moment factors into the calculations. There are suggestions to use energy concepts related to potential energy of the dipole in the electric field. Questions arise regarding the orientation of the dipole relative to the line charge and the implications of this orientation on the calculations.

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The discussion is active with various approaches being explored, including the use of potential energy concepts. Some participants have provided calculations and expressed doubts about the applicability of certain equations in a non-uniform field context. There is no explicit consensus on the correct approach, but multiple interpretations and methods are being examined.

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There is uncertainty regarding the orientation of the dipole with respect to the line charge, which affects the interpretation of the problem. Additionally, the participants are navigating the complexities of applying potential energy equations in a non-uniform electric field scenario.

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Homework Statement


Calculate the force acting on a dipole of dipole moment P due to a line charge of density λ
at a distance r from it??

Homework Equations


field due to a line charge= λ/2εr


The Attempt at a Solution


tried caculating force on each individual charge but i don't see how dipole moment should come in play here?
 
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anirudhsharma1 said:

The Attempt at a Solution


tried caculating force on each individual charge but i don't see how dipole moment should come in play here?

This approach should lead to the answer. If you can show some of the details of your calculation, maybe we can see how the dipole moment will come in.

A better approach is to use energy concepts. Are you familiar with the expression for the potential energy of a dipole in an electric field? Do you know how to relate potential energy to force?
 
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Hello TSny ,

What is the orientation of the dipole with respect to line charge in this problem ?

Is it perpendicular to the line charge such that the center of dipole is at a distance 'r' ? Am I interpreting it correctly ?
 
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Or is it that the end closer to the line charge is at a distance 'r' ?
 
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The OP was not clear on the orientation. So I guess that P is oriented parallel to the E field. I think r can be taken as the distance to the center of the dipole.
 
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Sir,

If that is the case and if +q is closer to line charge ,then

Net force on dipole = ##\frac{2kλ}{(r-a)}q - \frac{2kλ}{(r+a)}q## = ##-\frac{2kλ\vec{p}}{(r^2-a^2)}##

If I consider r>>a ,then net force = ##-\frac{2kλ\vec{p}}{r^2}##

Have I done it correctly ?
 
Looks very good. I believe that's correct.
 
TSny said:
A better approach is to use energy concepts. Are you familiar with the expression for the potential energy of a dipole in an electric field? Do you know how to relate potential energy to force?

Here I have a doubt . First I will show the work .

Potential Energy of a dipole in Electric field is ##U =-\vec{p} \cdot \vec{E}## . Since ##\vec{p}## and ## \vec{E}## are oppositely aligned , U = pE .

##U =\frac{2kλ\vec{p}}{r}##

##F=-\frac{dU}{dr}##

##F=-\frac{2kλp}{r^2}##

Have I done it correctly ?

If you think I have done it correctly , my doubt is that even though electric field across the length of dipole is non uniform , still expression for potential energy of dipole remains ##U =-\vec{p} \cdot \vec{E}## .

But this expression for U was for uniform electric field . Can you explain it ?

Thanks .
 
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I had in mind an "ideal dipole" where the length of the dipole is infinitesimally small. Then you can use ##U = -\vec{p} \cdot \vec{E}##.

For a finite length you can still use potential energy. The potential energy of a point charge ##q## in the field of the line charge is ##U = -2 k \lambda q \ln \frac{r}{r_0}## where ##r## is the distance of ##q## from the line charge and ##r_0## is an arbitrarily chosen distance from the line charge for defining zero potiential.

So, the potential energy of the dipole (for the case where the +q is farther away) is ##U = -2 k \lambda q \ln \frac{r+a}{r-a}##. Here, ##r## is the location of the center of the dipole.

You can then get the force from ##F = -\frac {dU}{dr}##.
 
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Thank you Sir .
 
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