Force I: Newton's Second Law in Inertial & Accel. Frames

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around Newton's second law, specifically the implications of applying it in both inertial and accelerated frames. Participants explore the nature of real forces versus inertial pseudo-forces and how they manifest in different reference frames.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether real forces remain unchanged across different frames, suggesting a comparison to temperature.
  • Another participant asserts that real forces are indeed the same in any frame, while noting that inertial pseudo-forces arise only in non-inertial frames.
  • A later reply introduces a scenario involving a NASA centrifuge, asking if a ping pong game would appear the same from both an inertial frame and within the centrifuge, while neglecting Coriolis forces.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the treatment of forces in various frames, with some agreeing on the constancy of real forces, while the implications of pseudo-forces remain a point of contention.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the implications of viewing forces from different frames, and assumptions regarding the neglect of Coriolis forces are not fully explored.

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I have a problem, in Newton's second law F=m*a in inertial frame. In the accelerated frame a mass should be affected by a inertial force, but the force in the original inertial frame don't change, so real force is just like the temperature and will be the same in different frames?
 
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Yes, the real forces are the same in any frame. But inertial pseudo-forces only appear when viewing motion from a non-inertial frame.
 
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Doc Al said:
Yes, the real forces are the same in any frame. But inertial pseudo-forces only appear when viewing motion from a non-inertial frame.
If I were in a NASA centrifuge and viewing a ping pong game in the Earth's inertial frame (neglecting coreolis forces), would the game look the same if I were in an inertial frame, and the game were being played in the centrifuge?
 

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