Force, Mass and Acceleration Problem

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The problem involves a block of mass m1 on a rough horizontal surface connected to a ball of mass m2 via a pulley system. An external force F is applied at an angle θ, and the coefficient of kinetic friction is given. The objective is to determine the acceleration of the two objects.

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  • The original poster attempts to confirm their solution and seeks a potentially shorter method. They provide a detailed breakdown of forces acting on both the block and the ball, including equations for tension and friction.
  • Some participants question the completeness of the original poster's force diagram and suggest clarifying the notation used for tension.
  • Others inquire about the source of the problem and whether the original poster's work is based on a textbook.
  • There are discussions about the accuracy of the calculations and the need for revisions based on feedback.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on the original poster's attempts and suggesting revisions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the force diagram and notation, but there is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the final answer.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of including all forces in the diagrams, particularly the tension in the string, and there is a mention of the original poster's reliance on a PDF for their work. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to clarify and refine the problem-solving approach.

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Homework Statement


A block of mass m1 on a rough horizontal surface is connected to a ball of mass m2 by a light weight cord over a light weight, friction-less pulley, as shown in the figure below. A force of magnitude F at an angle θ with the horizontal is applied to the block as shown. The coefficient of kinetic friction between the block and surface is uk. Determine the magnitude of the acceleration of the two objects.


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The Attempt at a Solution


I would just like to confirm my answer. Better still if anyone can suggest a shorter way of solving it would be nice. Please find my complete solutions on pdf attached. Thanks
 

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Is that your answers written in the Pdf and hilighted in turquoise? and is that your work shown above the hilighting?

It looked like this was a PDF question/answer from the book?
 
jedishrfu said:
It looked like this was a PDF question/answer from the book?
If you look at the legend at top left of page 2 you can see it is not out of a book. More tellingly, it's wrong.
blondii, your force diagram for the block omits the tension in the string. Also, using F for the string tension in the second free body diagram creates confusion. Put, say, T for the tension in both diagrams and try again.
 
Thanks for your response haruspex.

I have reworked the problem with tensions added as specified. See my new attached diagram. Here is my new working out also. Please confirm if my answer is correct this time or any other suggested approaches. Thanks:

Let:
fk = Kinetic Friction
uk = Coefficient of Kinetic friction
g = Gravitational Acceleration
n = Normal
T = Tension


Force acting on block
ƩFx = Fcos - fk - T = m1a
Eq (1)
∴ Fcos - fk - T = m1a

ƩFy = Fsinθ + n - w1 = 0
∴ n = w1 - Fsinθ
Eq (2)
= m1g - Fsinθ (2)

Substitute (2) into (1)
Fcosθ - uk(m1g - Fsinθ) - m1a
Eq (A)
∴T = Fcosθ - uk(m1g - Fsinθ) - m1a

Force acting on ball
ƩFy = T -w2
= T - m2g = m2a
Eq (B)
∴ T = m2a + m2g

Calculate Acceleration
Substitute (B) into (A)
m2g + m2a = Fcosθ - uk(m1g-Fsinθ) - m1a
a(m1 + m2) = Fcosθ - uk(m1g - Fsinθ) - m2g
∴ a = (Fcosθ - uk(m1g - Fsinθ) - m2g) / (m1 + m2)
 

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haruspex said:
If you look at the legend at top left of page 2 you can see it is not out of a book. More tellingly, it's wrong.
blondii, your force diagram for the block omits the tension in the string. Also, using F for the string tension in the second free body diagram creates confusion. Put, say, T for the tension in both diagrams and try again.


Please find attached also my revised answer on PDF and confirm if I am on the right track now. Thanks
 

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Your final answer is ok.
 
grzz said:
Your final answer is ok.

Thanks for confirming grzz. Much appreciated
 
how did you do the drawings? they look very professional.
 
jedishrfu said:
how did you do the drawings? they look very professional.

I did the drawings using Adobe Illustrator
 
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blondii said:
I did the drawings using Adobe Illustrator

Okay, thanks.
 

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