Force on a magnet in a magnetic field

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The discussion revolves around the forces acting on a magnet placed in a magnetic field, particularly focusing on the relationship between the magnet's magnetic moment and the magnetic field gradient. Participants are exploring the implications of the orientation of the magnetic moment and the magnetic field, as well as the effects of spatial variation in the magnetic field.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants are questioning the assumption that the x and y components of the magnetic moment and magnetic field are zero, with some suggesting that the parallel nature of the vectors does not justify this assumption. There is also discussion about the implications of the magnetic field's gradient and its dependence on the magnet's position.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants raising questions about the reasoning behind certain assumptions and clarifying the relationship between the magnetic moment, magnetic field, and the resulting force. Some guidance has been provided regarding the importance of the magnetic field's gradient and its effect on the force experienced by the magnet.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of magnetic fields and forces without a complete understanding of how position affects the magnetic field and the resulting force on the magnet. There is an emphasis on the need to consider the gradient of the magnetic field at the magnet's actual location.

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Homework Statement
Deduce an expression for the force on a magnet in a field gradient dB/dz assuming m || B
Relevant Equations
[tex]E = -\vec{m}\cdot \vec{B}[/tex]
[tex] \vec{F} = \nabla (\vec{m}\cdot \vec{B}) [/tex]
So I'm kinda stumped. I'm assuming that since ##\vec{m}||\vec{B}##, the x and y components of both are zero. But I'm unsure how to take this further.
 
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Why do you assume that the x and y components are zero? The only thing you have been told is that the field has a non-zero gradient in the z-direction.
 
Orodruin said:
Why do you assume that the x and y components are zero?
I assumed that because the fields are parallel to one another. But you're right, that isn't strong enough reasoning. If you take the dot product of m and B you'll get ##\vec{m}\cdot\vec{B} = mBcos\theta ##. But I don't see how that'll help me.
 
No, you get ##mB##, the angle is zero since ##\vec m## and ##\vec B## are parallel. However, the field depends on the position.
 
Sorry, I don't quite understand what you mean by position
 
The field has a gradient and therefore depends on where the magnet is located, i.e., the position. This is what leads to a force.
 
Okay, so if the magnet was located at the origin how would that affect the field?
 
Forget the origin. All you need to know is the gradient at the point where it is actually located.
 
Forgive me for being dense but what'll that imply for the force?
 
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The force is the gradient of ##\vec m \cdot \vec B##. If that quantity depends on position, then there will be a force.
 

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