Force on Planet Moving in Interstellar Dust

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The problem involves a uniform, spherical planet moving slowly through a cloud of interstellar dust particles. The objective is to determine the retarding force on the planet due to the dust cloud, considering the planet's mass, radius, and the density of the dust particles.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to use conservation of energy and angular momentum to derive a radius related to the dust's interaction with the planet. They express confusion over feedback received regarding their approach.
  • Some participants question the validity of assuming the planet's initial and final speeds are the same, suggesting this may imply a lack of momentum conservation.
  • Others seek clarification on the derivation of the radius used in the calculations and the interpretation of the planet's motion.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and questioning the assumptions made by the original poster. Some guidance has been offered regarding the assumptions about speed and momentum, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the implications of the problem's wording, particularly regarding the planet's motion and the assumptions about speed. There is also a focus on the conservation principles relevant to the scenario.

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Homework Statement



A uniform, spherical planet of mass M and radius R moves SLOWLY with an essentially uniform speed v through a cloud of interstellar dust particles, whose density is ρ. The dust particles are attracted towards the planet, and some of them would eventually fall onto its surface.

Find the resulting retarding force on the planet due to the dust cloud.
Since the planet moves slowly, initial speed and final speed can be assumed to be the same.


Homework Equations



Angular momentum => Li = Lf
Momentum => Pi = Pf
Energy including
Potential energy = -GMm/R
Kinetic Energy = 1/2 (mv2)


The Attempt at a Solution



I assumed the planet would consume all the dust within a circular cross section. By using conservation of energy and angular momentum, I got the radius of this circle to be

R' = (R^2 + 2RGM/v^2)^1/2

Then I used

dm = ρAdx = ρ(πR'^2)dx

to get

F = dp/dt = (dm/dt)v = ρπR^2(v^2 + 2GM/R).

I was told this wasn't right. Can someone give me a hint as to what I did wrong?
 
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Why did you put the planet in orbit? Per the problem statement it is moving with an "essentially uniform velocity". No mention of an orbit.
 
D H said:
Why did you put the planet in orbit? Per the problem statement it is moving with an "essentially uniform velocity". No mention of an orbit.

I didn't.
 
The circle I mentioned was not an orbit; it was the cross section swept out by the planet.

I could really use some help on this.
 
A couple of questions.

1. How did you derive that R' = (R^2 + 2RGM/v^2)^1/2 ?

2. Are you sure that the statement 'initial speed and final speed can be assumed to be the same.' is correct? This doesn't make a bit of sense. It means that momentum is not conserved. Better would be to assume that the initial and final speeds are approximately the same. (In other words, you can ignore second-order effects.)
 
D H said:
A couple of questions.

1. How did you derive that R' = (R^2 + 2RGM/v^2)^1/2 ?

2. Are you sure that the statement 'initial speed and final speed can be assumed to be the same.' is correct? This doesn't make a bit of sense. It means that momentum is not conserved. Better would be to assume that the initial and final speeds are approximately the same. (In other words, you can ignore second-order effects.)

1. I started by changing the frame of reference to the planets center of mass so that the dust moves at speed v. I assumed that at some perpendicular distance R' from the trajectory of the planet the dust particles would just barely miss the planet and that they would pass at the radius of the planet R with some velocity v' perpendicular to the radius vector. I used conservation of energy and angular momentum to solve for R' in

Rv' = R'v
(1/2)v^2 = (1/2)v'^2 - GM/R

I think this part of the problem is right because I got the same result from another method. I'm guessing I did something wrong in the rate at which the dust flows into the planet.

2. I'm sure that it's right. I assume it means that the force that we want to find is negligable compared with the planet's momentum.
 

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