Force on point magnetic dipole

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The discussion revolves around the force on a point magnetic dipole, particularly in the context of magnetic force microscopy and the theoretical underpinnings related to magnetic dipoles and their interactions with magnetic fields. Participants explore the mathematical expressions for the force on a magnetic dipole and the assumptions that lead to simplifications in these expressions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant references a paper that derives a force expression for a magnetic dipole and questions the assumption that the dipole moment does not depend on coordinates.
  • Another participant suggests that the curl of the magnetic field is related to current and that magnetization can be viewed as a collection of infinitesimal current loops, leading to the conclusion that the curl is non-zero only at the surface of a permanent magnet.
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding the assumption that bound current is zero in the interior of a magnet and questions how this relates to the current model of magnetic dipoles.
  • There is a discussion about the cancellation of currents in adjacent loops and how this affects the overall magnetic field and the force on the dipole.
  • One participant raises a point about the conditions under which the curl of the magnetic field can be assumed to be zero, questioning the validity of this assumption in the absence of current.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the assumptions regarding the magnetic dipole moment, the nature of bound currents, and the conditions under which the curl of the magnetic field can be considered zero. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants note various assumptions, such as the constancy of the dipole moment and the conditions under which bound currents are considered zero. There is also mention of the relationship between the curl of the magnetic field and the presence of current, which remains a point of contention.

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Hi guys, I'm involved in a research project regarding discrete bit patterned media and I was tasked to figure out how a magnetic force microscope works for imaging magnetic islands on thin magnetic films coated on silicon substrate, as part of a preparatory literature review.

So I pulled out a few books from the library (and a paper Boyer, 1987) and came across this which was derived for an loop current model and which they attempted to show was conceptually equivalent to the one derived for magnetic dipole under the assumption of no-currents
\mathbf{F} = \nabla (\mathbf{m} \cdot \mathbf{B} ) = \mathbf{m} \times (\nabla \times \mathbf{B} ) + \mathbf{B} \times (\nabla \times \mathbf{m}) + (\mathbf{m} \cdot \nabla) \mathbf{B} + (\mathbf{B} \cdot \nabla)\mathbf{m}.

Somehow according to the paper, this reduces to \mathbf{F} = \nabla (\mathbf{m} \cdot \mathbf{B} ) = \mathbf{m} \times (\nabla \times \mathbf{B} ) + (\mathbf{m} \cdot \nabla) \mathbf{B} with the other two terms disappearing because, as the paper says that m doesn't depend on coordinates. What does that mean and why? I understand m is always perpendicular to the current loop (IdS, in fact). Further, a later assumption made was that \nabla \times \mathbf{B} = \mathbf{0} but I don't see why we should assume that bound and free current is 0. When is this valid and why?

I've done only a second-year EE E&M course so far where magnetic dipoles was omitted so the lecturer could start on transmission lines. So please do point out where I can read up on this. Thanks a lot.

P.S. I've seen https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=210771" as well, where pam says that curl B is only non-zero on the surface of a permanent magnet but I don't see why.

http://books.google.com/books?id=I-...&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2#PPA102,M1"also seems to say curl B is nonzero at the point where the electric field is changing or alternatively when there is current or displacement current.
 
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its been a while but:

the curl of B? that's just current.

magnetization can be thought of as infinitesimal current loops (think 'tiny squares').
if the magnetization within the body of the permanent magnet (think 'grid of tiny squares') is constant (I'm guessing that's what it means by 'm doesn't depend on coordinates') then the currents cancel out everywhere except at the surface so that the magnet field of the permanent magnet can be though of as being due entirely to surface currents. hence curl is nonzero only at the surface.
 
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Hi granpa. Yeah it's been I think about a semester since that I took that class. Amazingly short memory I have.

That explains a lot, so thanks for that. But it is assumed that the bound current (and hence the infinitesimal current loops) is 0, so how does that current model apply? We also assume that m is a constant vector (each magnetic dipole moment m). By definition of m, we assume that each m is due only to the bound current encircling a closed planar loop, so there's no reason to assume that m changes since neither I_b nor dS changes? But don't the dipoles interact with each other (just as you said currents cancel out everywhere) ? Doens't this cause I_b to change?
 
the bound current is zero in the interior because the magnetization is constant. the current in adjacent loops cancels out (if they are equal). it is nonzero on the surface.

picture 2 square loops adjacent to one another. imagine that each has a clockwise current. the current in the wire that they share is the sum of the 2 currents. the 2 currents are equal but in oppsite direction. so they cancel out completely.the rest of your post I can't make much sense out of
 
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Further, a later assumption made was that \nabla \times \mathbf{B} = \mathbf{0} but I don't see why we should assume that bound and free current is 0. When is this valid and why?
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I'm confused. wouldn't that just be the curl of the applied magnetic field. unless current is actually passing through the magnetic material then the curl will certainly be zero there.
 
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