Force required to keep arm in position

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The problem involves calculating the force required by elbow flexor muscles to hold a 9kg dumbbell at a 90-degree angle with the elbow flexed. The scenario includes specific distances related to the dumbbell and the elbow, and the discussion centers on the application of torque concepts in a gravitational field.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the necessity of converting mass to force in Newtons and the appropriateness of unit conversions for distances. There is uncertainty about the relevance of the angle in the calculations and how it affects torque. Some participants question the correctness of previous calculations and the balance of units.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on unit conversions and the importance of understanding the problem conceptually rather than just focusing on numerical answers. There are multiple interpretations of the relevance of the angle, and participants are exploring how changes in the angle might affect the calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the assumption that the mass of the arm can be ignored, and there is a focus on the gravitational field's influence on the dumbbell's weight. The discussion also highlights the importance of correctly applying torque principles in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement


Lawrence is holding a 9kg dumbbell in his hand with his elbow flexed 90degrees. The horizontal distance from the center of mass of the dumbbell to the center of Lawrence's elbow is 33cm. The horizontal distance from the insertion of his elbow flexor tendons to his elbow is 3cm. If we ignore the mass of Lawrence's arm, how much Force do his elbow flexor muscles have to produce to hold his arm in this position?

Homework Equations


T = F x r ?

The Attempt at a Solution


I drew a diagram and labeled the known values. I am unsure if I should convert the 9kg dumbbell to Newtons (or if that is even right to do). The professor has previously converted cm to m, but I found nothing about that in our book. I converted 33cm to 0.33m and 3cm to 0.03m, but also don't know if that is right to do. Also, converted 90degrees to radians: 1.570rad, but once again unsure. I just need some guidance on if I'm doing Anything correctly and what step to take next.
 
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Forces are measured in Newton so yes, you have to convert the mass of the dumbell to Newtons (noting of course that it is in a gravitational field).

The distances you can give in cm, m, yards, or light years - as long as you use the same units for both (resulting in the same unitd for torque, i.e., Ncm, Nm, Nyards, or Nly).
 
Show us your diagram.
There was no need to convert degrees to radians..

What can you tell us about the sum of torques about the elbow?
 
Is the 90degrees relevant to the equation?
I looked over another, similar problem and then did this:
T = 9kg x 33cm = 88.29N x 0.33m = 29.13Nm
Then
29.13Nm / 0.03m = 971.19N

But the other problem didn't have a value for degrees.
 
An explanation that demonstrates you understand the problem is more important than getting the correct numerical answer. Suppose you made a minor error in the calculation? If you only give an incorrect numerical answer you will score zero. If you explain your working you might still get most of the marks.

If I was to be picky I would point out that..

9kg x 33cm = 88.29N x 0.33m

..is incorrect because the units don't balance.
 
DrowningKthnx said:
Is the 90degrees relevant to the equation?
Yes.
Could you answer the question if the arm was at 80 degrees?
If the arm was at 180 degrees what would the answer be? You should be able to answer that without doing any calculations.
 

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