Force required to pull a roofing nail out of decking

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The discussion revolves around calculating the force required to pull a roofing nail out of decking, specifically focusing on the factors that contribute to the nail's withdrawal resistance, such as friction and material properties. Participants explore the theoretical and practical aspects of this problem, including the application of friction coefficients and spring constants.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the forces involved in pulling out a nail, noting a lack of knowledge regarding relevant formulas and the nature of the problem.
  • Another participant suggests examining the coefficients of static and dynamic friction between the nail and wood, as well as the spring constant of the plywood, to better understand the forces at play.
  • A participant references data indicating that a 2-inch nail has a withdrawal force of 59 lb in OSB, proposing that a 1.5-inch nail might require around 100 lb in pine planks.
  • There is a discussion about the significance of the 430 in-lb force from the roofing nailer, with some participants questioning its relevance to the withdrawal force needed.
  • One participant mentions designing a wedge tool for pulling out shingles and seeks to correlate the withdrawal force data to a different unit of measurement (Nm).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the exact force required to pull the nail out, as there are varying opinions on the relevance of the provided data and the calculations involved. Multiple competing views remain regarding the factors influencing the withdrawal force.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the specific values and relationships between the forces involved, as well as the assumptions underlying their calculations. There is a lack of clarity on how to convert withdrawal force data into different units.

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Homework Statement


Roofing coil nailer drives with 430 in lb into plywood,decking 1.5" nail
How much force do i need to pull the nail out ,i don't know what else holds nail in place other than friction
ELI5 ,im as uneducated as it comes. :D

Homework Equations


i don't know any

The Attempt at a Solution


googled few hours but lacking of actual knowledge makes it hard to find needed formulas,theorems what forces apply to this
 
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Welcome to the PF. :smile:
Akita said:

Homework Statement


Roofing coil nailer drives with 430 in lb into plywood,decking 1.5" nail
How much force do i need to pull the nail out ,i don't know what else holds nail in place other than friction
ELI5 ,im as uneducated as it comes. :D

Homework Equations


i don't know any

The Attempt at a Solution


googled few hours but lacking of actual knowledge makes it hard to find needed formulas,theorems what forces apply to this
That's a very challenging and practical problem. Are you told what tolerance your answer needs to be within?

I would start by looking at the coefficients of static and dynamic friction between the nail metal material and the wood material. Then I would look up the spring constant of the plywood (as it's deflected out of the nail hole). Can you find those numbers and say what you would do next?
 
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What is the nature of the data that you are provided? That is what is 430 in-lbs and what is the value of knowing the nail length.?
 
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berkeman said:
Welcome to the PF. :smile:

That's a very challenging and practical problem. Are you told what tolerance your answer needs to be within?

I would start by looking at the coefficients of static and dynamic friction between the nail metal material and the wood material. Then I would look up the spring constant of the plywood (as it's deflected out of the nail hole). Can you find those numbers and say what you would do next?
i found some data Nail Withdrawal and it says 2 inch nail uses 59 lb in OSB 7/16,id guess double that in pine planks so 100 lb.
gleem said:
What is the nature of the data that you are provided? That is what is 430 in-lbs and what is the value of knowing the nail length.?
430 in lb is for coil roofing nailer force ,for 3/4 to 1 3/4 nails
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im designing wedge acting tear off tool for shingles and wanted to calculate how much force would i need to push out or pull out with fulcrum from above materials.
How to correlate 59 lb in given data to force in Nm ,thank yoyu guys for feedback,not knowing stuff is kinda painful :D
 

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Akita said:
430 in lb is for coil roofing nailer force ,for 3/4 to 1 3/4 nails
I doubt if that is as helpful as you might think it is. The problem is that this is an amount of force that DEFINITELY will seat the nail. That is, it is more force than is needed but you don't know by how much.
 
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phinds said:
I doubt if that is as helpful as you might think it is. The problem is that this is an amount of force that DEFINITELY will seat the nail. That is, it is more force than is needed but you don't know by how much.
i got it,all numbers kinda straight now. thank you guys.
 
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