Force to accelerate an object downward faster than g

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The discussion revolves around calculating the force required to accelerate an object downward at a rate faster than gravitational acceleration. Participants explore the mathematical relationships involved in determining the necessary force when considering both the acceleration due to gravity and the desired acceleration.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant, Tom, seeks clarification on whether to subtract gravitational acceleration from the desired acceleration when calculating the force needed to accelerate an object downward faster than gravity.
  • Another participant assumes the object starts from rest and confirms that the additional force required is calculated by subtracting gravitational acceleration from the desired acceleration and then multiplying by mass.
  • A different perspective discusses the need for additional upward force when accelerating an object upwards, emphasizing the balance of forces acting on the mass.
  • Another participant reflects on a previous question about deriving the total force requirement by considering both the weight of the load and the force needed for acceleration.

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Participants generally agree on the mathematical approach to calculating the force required for acceleration, but there are different perspectives on how to conceptualize the forces involved, particularly when considering upward versus downward acceleration.

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Assumptions about the starting conditions of the object (e.g., starting from rest) and the uniformity of acceleration are present but not universally stated. The discussion does not resolve the nuances of force balance in different acceleration scenarios.

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Hello all.

I am trying to understand the math behind this and keep getting stuck. If I want to accelerate and object downward,lets say 16 inches in 0.1655 seconds , that would be faster acceleration than gravity. I think 29.67 m/s2, so if I calculate force to accelerate at that rate downward, Do I have to subtract 9.8 m/s2 from my acceleration of 29.67 before I calculate the force? IE 29.67-9.8=19.87m/s2 and then I use that acceleration of 19.87 against my mass to determine the force required?

Hoping for some clarification ,Tom
 
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I assume the thing is starting from rest and accelerating uniformly, because then you get the ##30 \text{ms}^{-2}## acceleration.

And yes, to determine the additional force you yourself need to apply, you subtract ##g## and multiply by ##m##. That's just because ##F + mg = ma \iff F = m(a-g)##.
 
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Thinking in reverse, in order to accelerate the same mass upwards at a similar rate, you need to add enough extra upwards force to compensate for the downwards force of weight.
The function of that extra force up is only to balance weight: any additional up force will be the only one contributing to up acceleration.

##a=F_{resultant}/mass##

Always think of acceleration as a result of applying a resultant force onto a mass.
 
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Yes Lnewqban I had this question a while back, I appreciate the response.

I was able to derive that by simply adding the weight of the load plus the force required to accelerate it on a vector would give me my final total F requirement.
 
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