Forces acting on charged oil drops

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The discussion revolves around the forces acting on charged oil drops moving through the air, specifically focusing on the relationship between speed, charge, and potential difference. The problem involves understanding the resistive force acting on a small sphere and the conditions for constant speed in an electric field.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore the conditions under which the oil drop moves at constant speed, questioning the role of potential differences and the significance of V1. There is discussion about the need for mass in determining terminal velocity and the balance of forces acting on the drop.

Discussion Status

The conversation is active, with participants providing hints and questioning assumptions about the problem setup. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between electric force and gravitational force, but no consensus has been reached on the interpretation of V1.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the definition of V1 and its implications for the problem, as well as the assumption of whether gravity can be ignored in this context.

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Hi guys. I'm a new member, just joined today. I've been looking for the answer to the following question for hours, but am unable to do so. Please try to help ASAP! Thanx a million. The question is:

When a small sphere moves through the air with a low speed v it experiences a resitive force given by kv where k is a constant. If the oil drop carries a charge of magnitude q, show that when the potential difference between the plates is V2 the speed v with which the drop moves upwards is given by

v=q/kd x (V2-V1)
 
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Welcome to PF!

The rule here is that to get help you must show your work. :smile:

But here's a hint: For the sphere to move at constant speed, what must be the net force on it?
 
burno_06 said:
Hi guys. I'm a new member, just joined today. I've been looking for the answer to the following question for hours, but am unable to do so. Please try to help ASAP! Thanx a million. The question is:

When a small sphere moves through the air with a low speed v it experiences a resitive force given by kv where k is a constant. If the oil drop carries a charge of magnitude q, show that when the potential difference between the plates is V2 the speed v with which the drop moves upwards is given by

v=q/kd x (V2-V1)
What is V1? (are we to assume it is the potential for which v = 0?)

AM
 
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burno_06 said:
...show that when the potential difference between the plates is V2 ...
I assume that you meant to write the potential difference as V2 - V1, not V2.
 
Doc Al said:
I assume that you meant to write the potential difference as V2 - V1, not V2.
I think V1 has to be the voltage for which v = 0. Otherwise you would have to know the mass of the oil drop.

AM
 
Andrew Mason said:
I think V1 has to be the voltage for which v = 0. Otherwise you would have to know the mass of the oil drop.
Not sure what you mean. What determines the terminal velocity is the strength of the electric field, which depends on the potential difference. (Assuming that we can ignore gravity, the mass is not needed.)
 
Doc Al said:
Not sure what you mean. What determines the terminal velocity is the strength of the electric field, which depends on the potential difference. (Assuming that we can ignore gravity, the mass is not needed.)
I don't think we can ignore gravity. In order to keep the oil drop still, you will need to apply an electrical force to the oil drop to balance gravity, so some potential difference to the plates is needed. That is V1. The speed will be determined by the electric force (qE=qV/d) in excess of that.

AM
 
OK. I'll buy that. :smile:
 

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