Forces and moments -- Pushing wheeled luggage through the airport

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The discussion revolves around forces and moments related to pushing wheeled luggage through an airport. Participants are examining the dynamics of forces acting on the luggage, particularly in the context of balancing moments and the application of forces.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between horizontal and vertical forces, questioning how to balance the moments created by the weight of the luggage. There are discussions about the application point of forces and the interpretation of the problem's requirements.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights and clarifications regarding the forces involved. Some express uncertainty about the interpretation of the problem, while others suggest potential approaches to understanding the forces at play.

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There is mention of specific requirements in the problem, such as the need to identify the point of application of forces and the distinction between horizontal and vertical forces. Participants are navigating these constraints while attempting to clarify their understanding.

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This isn't my homework. I'm helping someone else with her homework. But I am not sure about part d.
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Hi
I need help with part d.
I think for part q(i) the force is horizontally and constant and equal to what I have found in part c. and for part d(ii) the force is upwards and equal to what I have found in part b.
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vanhees71 said:
Answering a known question can be difficult, but if the question is unknown, it's impossible!
😄😄😄😄😄😄 you are absolutely right. I have now attached the question. I thought I had done it.
 
How do you have the man avoiding tilting the bag in your answer to c)?
 
haruspex said:
How do you have the man avoiding tilting the bag in your answer to c)?
He exerts a horizontal force to balance the moment of the weight. I know how to do that part by making the clockwise moment equal to anti clockwise moment.
 
shk said:
He exerts a horizontal force to balance the moment of the weight. I know how to do that part by making the clockwise moment equal to anti clockwise moment.
No, he was already balancing the moment of the weight by an upward force. How does he need to add a horizontal impulse to get the bag moving horizontally without making it tilt?
You are told to show the point of application. Where have you put that?
The answer is quite specific, and requires a little lateral thinking.
 
haruspex said:
No, he was already balancing the moment of the weight by an upward force. How does he need to add a horizontal impulse to get the bag moving horizontally without making it tilt?
You are told to show the point of application. Where have you put that?
The answer is quite specific, and requires a little lateral thinking.
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Sorry I accidentally said horizontally.
I have now answered the question and have attached it for you to see. Please let me know if I've made a mistake .
Thanks
 

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shk said:
Hi
Sorry I accidentally said horizontally.
I have now answered the question and have attached it for you to see. Please let me know if I've made a mistake .
Thanks
Well, maybe I am misreading the question.
It gives the impression that the force applied to get the case in motion is in addition to the upward force, if so, the answer would be that he pushes it with his foot at the height of its mass centre, something I have done myself.
Now I notice that it asks for the magnitude, which suggests that your interpretation is correct, but if so it should say he momentarily exerts a horizontal force instead, .. and why bother to ask where it is applied?
So I'm left uncertain as to which answer is expected.

For d) the foot is not an option, so it will be a change in force on the handle. It could be any combination of a horizontal pull and a vertical force that balances the torque of the case's weight.
 
haruspex said:
Well, maybe I am misreading the question.
It gives the impression that the force applied to get the case in motion is in addition to the upward force, if so, the answer would be that he pushes it with his foot at the height of its mass centre, something I have done myself.
Now I notice that it asks for the magnitude, which suggests that your interpretation is correct, but if so it should say he momentarily exerts a horizontal force instead, .. and why bother to ask where it is applied?
So I'm left uncertain as to which answer is expected.

For d) the foot is not an option, so it will be a change in force on the handle. It could be any combination of a horizontal pull and a vertical force that balances the torque of the case's weight.
I totally agree with you in terms of the missing word "instead ". This is where all my problem's coming from .
So is my answer correct if we assume that the horizontal force has been applied instead of the vertical force?
 
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shk said:
I totally agree with you in terms of the missing word "instead ". This is where all my problem's coming from .
So is my answer correct if we assume that the horizontal force has been applied instead of the vertical force?
Yes.
 
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Yes.
Thank you very much. I appreciate the time you took to help me .
 

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