Forces & Friction: Block Sliding Down Incline

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a block sliding down a 30-degree inclined plane with constant acceleration. The participants are addressing questions related to the block's velocity at the bottom of the incline, the magnitude of the normal force, and the coefficient of friction between the block and the incline.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants are exploring the calculations for the normal force and the coefficient of friction. There is a focus on understanding the relationship between the forces acting on the block and the geometry of the incline. Some participants question the original poster's methods and seek clarification on the correct approach to calculating the normal force.

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There is an ongoing exchange of ideas regarding the calculations and concepts involved. Some participants are providing guidance on the need to consider the components of gravitational force acting on the block, while others express confusion about the application of formulas and the interpretation of the normal force.

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Participants note the importance of showing work for homework assignments and the potential implications of incorrect assumptions regarding the normal force on an inclined plane.

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1. A 3 kg block slides down a 30 degree incllined plane with constant acceleration of 0.5 m/s2. The block starts from rest at the top. The length of the incline is 2m.
a) What is the velocity of the block at the bottom?
b) What is the magnitude of the normal force?
c) What is the coefficient of friction between the plane and the block?


I solved the questions, I'm just not sure if I got the answers right, so I wanted to double check with somebody here. For a) I got 2m/s (I forget how I got it, I didn't write down my work). For b), I did Fn = mg, and I got 29.4 N. For c), I did a diagram and got 13.3 N as the applied force. For Fnet, I did Fnet = ma, and got 29.4 N. Fnet = F applied - F opposing or friction, and I got -16.1 N as the force of friction (I'm not sure if having a negative force is possible, so if I'm wrong, just stay with me here). µ = Fs/Fn = -16.1N / 29.4N = -0.547. If any of this is wrong, please tell me how I was supposed to do it.
 
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JasonAdams said:
1. A 3 kg block slides down a 30 degree incllined plane with constant acceleration of 0.5 m/s2. The block starts from rest at the top. The length of the incline is 2m.
a) What is the velocity of the block at the bottom?
b) What is the magnitude of the normal force?
c) What is the coefficient of friction between the plane and the block?


I solved the questions, I'm just not sure if I got the answers right, so I wanted to double check with somebody here. For a) I got 2m/s (I forget how I got it, I didn't write down my work).

Well, I can't check that if I can't see how you've done it-- and besides, do you not need to show your working for the homework?
For b), I did Fn = mg, and I got 29.4 N.

This isn't right. The normal force is not equal to the weight, since the block is on an inclined plane, it is equal to the component of the weight which is perpendicular to the plane. Draw a diagram-- it will help you!
 
To find Fn, what equation do I use? I can't seem to figure it out.
 
diagram will help. Think about it this way, if the block is "sliding" down a vertical face what would be Fn? If its horizontal what is Fn? At intermediate angles?
 
Fn = m a cosΘ

Fn = mass x acceleration (the accel. of the object, not of gravity)

Are either of these right? I'm just not getting it! The diagram isn't helping me as much as I thought it would.
 
the normal force is the force pushing back against the block right? It would be zero in the case of sliding along a vertical cliff, and the full weight, mg, when it is horizontally supported.

Maybe this will help more, with inclines we need to break down the gravitaional force into two components: those perpendicular to the block which does not tend to accelerate the object but causes static friction and the component along the surface of the block which accelerates the block.

In effect it is like we are rotating the coordinate system.

Still murky?
John
 

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