Calculating Net Force and Friction: Understanding Newton's Laws of Motion

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The discussion revolves around calculating net force and friction in the context of Newton's laws of motion, specifically focusing on a block being pushed. Participants are exploring the relationships between applied force, friction, and net force.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants attempt to calculate net force using various formulas and values, questioning their understanding of the relationships between forces. Some participants express uncertainty about their calculations and seek clarification on the concepts of net force and friction.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing their calculations and seeking feedback. Some guidance has been offered regarding the formulas for net force and friction, and there is an ongoing exploration of the correct relationships between the forces involved.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information available and the assumptions they can make about the scenario. There is a noted confusion regarding the acceleration of the block and its implications for calculating net force.

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Homework Statement
A child pushes a block of wood with a mass of 0.72kg across a smooth table. The block starts from a position of rest and after 2.0 s it has a velocity of 1.6m/s [forward]. The coefficient of kinetic friction is 0.64
Relevant Equations
FN= Fg=mg , Fnet=Fg+FN, Ff=Fnuk
I am very new to physics so I am still learning a lot. Here is my attempt:
Find the net force acting on the block : Fnet= Fg+FN so I have to find FN before I can complete the answer. FN = Fg (mg) FN = (0.72kg)(9.8m/s^2) = 7.056 or 7.06 N
Fnet = 9.8+7.06 = 16.86 N or 16.9 N

To find the force of friction I used the formula Ff= (FN)(uk) = 16.9*.64 =10.816N or 10.8 N

Now I used the formula Fapplied = Ff+FN = 10.8N + 7.06N = 17.86 or 17.9 N of applied force.

Am I even close to understanding this or correct?
 
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$$ F_{net}=ma $$ so you can determine ## F_{net}##. Then: $$ F_{net}=F_{applied}-F_{friction} $$ with $$ F_{friction}=μ_kmg $$
 
ok thank you, so i was way off lol
 
Kmcquiggan said:
ok thank you, so i was way off lol

Have you ever heard the term "free-body diagram"? If not, do an Internet search.

Two questions:

1) How many forces are acting on the block?

2) What is the relationship between net force and acceleration?
 
neilparker62 said:
$$ F_{net}=ma $$ so you can determine ## F_{net}##. Then: $$ F_{net}=F_{applied}-F_{friction} $$ with $$ F_{friction}=μ_kmg $$
For the first formula are you meaning FN? Just wondering as you have 2 formulas for Fnet? Or am I missing something?
 
Ok, so with the new understanding
Fnet = ma or Fnet= (0.72)(9.8m/s^2) = 7.056 or 7.06N
Ff= Ukmg = (0.64)(.72)(9.8) = 4.51584 or 4.52 N
The formula I was given to find Fnet (horizontal) = Fapplied +Ff so to find applied force can I take Fnet- Ff and that will give me applied? 7.06-4.52 = 2.54N for applied force?
 
Kmcquiggan said:
Ok, so with the new understanding
Fnet = ma or Fnet= (0.72)(9.8m/s^2) = 7.056 or 7.06N
Ff= Ukmg = (0.64)(.72)(9.8) = 4.51584 or 4.52 N
The formula I was given to find Fnet (horizontal) = Fapplied +Ff so to find applied force can I take Fnet- Ff and that will give me applied? 7.06-4.52 = 2.54N for applied force?

That's not correct, I'm sorry to say.

To start at the beginning. You say:

Fnet = ma or Fnet= (0.72)(9.8m/s^2) = 7.056 or 7.06N

Why do you think the acceleration of the block is ##9.8 m/s^2##?
 
I started back at the beginning.
Fnet = ma , so I need to find a which equals v=V0+at = 0+1.6/2 = .8m/s^2
So Fnet = .072kg*.8m/s^2 = 0.576N
So the net force acting on the block is 0.576 N or 0.58N
Now to find the friction Force is F=ukmg F= 0.64*0.72*9.8 = 4.51584 or 4.52 N
Then I must find the force for which the child actually pushes on the block of wood
Fapplied = Fnet+Ffriction = 4.52+0.58 F applied = 5.1 N
Am I getting it this time
 
Looks fine to me although you might need to be a bit more careful with your algebra when determining acceleration: ## a=\frac{Δv}{Δt}=\frac{v_f-v_i}{Δt} ##
 
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Ok thank you very much for the assistance I am finally understanding it now
 
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