Forces question - acceleration of a rocket

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The discussion revolves around the acceleration of a rocket traveling towards the moon, specifically considering the effects of gravitational forces and thrust. Participants explore how acceleration may change over time as the rocket moves away from Earth and approaches the moon, while also factoring in the rocket's decreasing mass due to fuel consumption.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between gravitational attraction and acceleration as the rocket travels away from Earth and towards the moon. Questions arise about the implications of the rocket's decreasing mass on its acceleration and the meaning of the "equilibrium point" mentioned in the original post.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the concepts involved, with some participants providing supportive feedback on the original poster's reasoning. Clarifications about the equilibrium point and its implications for acceleration are being discussed, and the role of mass reduction due to fuel consumption is highlighted as a significant factor.

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Participants are considering the effects of gravitational forces from both Earth and the moon, as well as the constant thrust of the rocket's engine. There is an emphasis on understanding how these factors interact over the course of the rocket's journey.

QueenFisher
A simple rocket flying towards the moon has a constant thrust from its engine. Will the acceleration remain constant? If not, how will it vary with time?
this is a question I've been given to think about. obviously i don't want any outright answers, can anyone tell me if I'm going in the right direction here?

i think that as it gets further away from the earth, the gravitational attraction between the rocket and the Earth becomes less. as the acceleration depends on the resultant force, as it gets further away, the acceleration will increase. at the equilibrium point, will it have zero acceleration?
after the equilibrium point, the gravitational attraction between the rocket and the moon will be increasing as the rocket approaches the moon, so the reultant force will be increasing, so the acceleration will be increasing.

any comments would be great :smile:
 
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QueenFisher said:
A simple rocket flying towards the moon has a constant thrust from its engine. Will the acceleration remain constant? If not, how will it vary with time?
this is a question I've been given to think about. obviously i don't want any outright answers, can anyone tell me if I'm going in the right direction here?

i think that as it gets further away from the earth, the gravitational attraction between the rocket and the Earth becomes less. as the acceleration depends on the resultant force, as it gets further away, the acceleration will increase. at the equilibrium point, will it have zero acceleration?
after the equilibrium point, the gravitational attraction between the rocket and the moon will be increasing as the rocket approaches the moon, so the reultant force will be increasing, so the acceleration will be increasing.

any comments would be great :smile:

Sounds like a very lucid explanation to me :smile:
 
Also consider what happens to the mass of the rocket as it uses its fuel.
 
as in, as it uses more fuel, it's mass will be less, so the gravitational attraction will be less? does that mean it can accelerate at a faster rate?

also, is the physics ok in my first post?
 
QueenFisher said:
as in, as it uses more fuel, it's mass will be less, so the gravitational attraction will be less? does that mean it can accelerate at a faster rate?

also, is the physics ok in my first post?

You've got it!

Your post sounds good to me :smile:
 
QueenFisher said:
as in, as it uses more fuel, it's mass will be less, so the gravitational attraction will be less? does that mean it can accelerate at a faster rate?

also, is the physics ok in my first post?
the thrust force of the rocket remains constant. The mass decreases. even without consideration of the gravitational force, the acceleration will increase due to Newton's second law, a=F/m.

In your OP, what did you mean by "equilibrium point"? The net zero gravitational point between Earth and Moon? The acceleration won't be zero there (Rocket is still thrusting, or is it?).
 
Chi Meson said:
In your OP, what did you mean by "equilibrium point"? The net zero gravitational point between Earth and Moon?

I think she may have meant on take off. That was my take on it anyway.
 
nah i meant where the Earth's and the moon's gravitational forces can be considered to cancel each other out. i think it's at that point that there will be a constant acceleration...as opposed to constantly changing acceleration?
 
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At the earth-moon equilibrium pont, the gravitational force will not contribute to the rocket's acceleration, but...All the way to, through, and beyond this point the Earth will pull less and less and the Moon will pull more and more. So the acceleration of the rocket will continue to increase as it gets closer to its destination.

The fact that the mass is decreasing the entire time will be a more significant factor to cause an increase in acceleration (as long as the thrust force is constant).
 
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does that mean that the rocket's acceleration is increasing at a greater rate when it is losing mass due to fuel consumption that if it were not?
 
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QueenFisher said:
does that mean that the rocket's acceleration is increasing at a greater rate when it is losing mass due to fuel consumption that if it were not?

Yes, remember Newton's law [itex]F = ma[/itex], so the same force will acclerate an object of a lower mass faster.
 

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