Forces - two objects in contact

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The problem involves two objects in contact being pushed across a table with negligible friction. The masses of the objects are given, along with an applied horizontal force. The goal is to determine the acceleration of the system and the forces exerted between the two objects.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of acceleration using the total mass and the applied force. Questions arise regarding the forces acting between the two objects, particularly why the force exerted by the smaller mass is considered in the context of the system.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the forces acting on each object and questioning the relationship between the forces due to Newton's third law. Some guidance is provided regarding the direction of forces and the nature of contact forces.

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Participants express confusion about the magnitudes of the forces between the objects, considering their different masses and the implications of Newton's third law. There is an acknowledgment of the problem's setup and the assumptions regarding negligible friction.

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Homework Statement



Two objects, in contact with each other, are being pushed across a table. The masses are 113g and 139g. Friction is negligible. The applied horizontal force of magnitude 0.0538N is exerted on the more massive object. Determine the acceleration of the two object system and the magnitude of the force exerted by each of the two objects on the other.

Homework Equations



Fnet = m*a

The Attempt at a Solution



To find acceleration I use f=ma, with f being the applied horizontal force and m being the total mass:
a= 0.0538/ (0.113+0.139)
a=0.213 m/s^2

Now I'm confused about how the forces are acting between the two objects in the system. How is this calculated?
 
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Write the Newton's 2nd law equation for one of the mass :smile:
 
F=smaller mass *a
F=0.113*0.213
F=0.241N

that's the correct answer ...but I don't understand why. Why is the force acting between the two objects caused by the mass of the smaller object only? Is it because it is the only thing pushing back on the system (like, against the applied force?)

: S
 
Okay, so what are the forces exerting on the more massive one? And what are the forces on the other?
 
On the larger mass, there is an applied force and also a force of contact (not sure what type of force this is called) from the smaller object.

Fapp <---- [larger object] ---> Fsmaller object on larger object

On the smaller mass, there is the force of contact from being pushed by the larger mass.

Flarger object on smaller object <-----[smaller object]

I think that's it. I'm confused because I would think that "Fsmaller object on larger object" and "Flarger object on smaller object" would be different in magnitude ...Since the masses of each object are different.

But then again, Newton's third law says for every action force, there's an opposite but equal reaction force. So this force should be equal right?
 
Hmm, I think the direction should be different:
Fapp ----> [larger object] <--- Fsmaller object on larger object
Flarger object on smaller object ----> [smaller object]
The problem states that the objects are pushed, right? :smile:

I think that's it. I'm confused because I would think that "Fsmaller object on larger object" and "Flarger object on smaller object" would be different in magnitude ...Since the masses of each object are different.

But then again, Newton's third law says for every action force, there's an opposite but equal reaction force. So this force should be equal right?

Yes :smile:
 
Thanks!
 

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