Forces with Tension and pulleys

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving forces, tension, and pulleys, specifically focusing on a scenario where a heavy object (concrete steps) is being dragged using a block-and-tackle system. The problem includes considerations of tension in ropes, friction, and the forces required to maintain constant velocity.

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  • Participants explore the tension in the thin rope at various points and its relationship to the overall system. There are attempts to calculate the tension based on the mass of the steps and the forces involved. Questions are raised about the assumptions regarding acceleration and the direction of additional forces needed.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing calculations and seeking clarification on various aspects. Some guidance has been offered regarding the assumptions that need to be made, particularly concerning the direction of forces and the implications of the given tension in the thin rope.

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There is a noted constraint regarding the maximum tension rating of the thin rope, which is 356N. Additionally, the discussion includes a coefficient of friction that is assumed to be 0.15, which may affect the calculations for the forces required to maintain constant velocity.

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Homework Statement


  1. I had a set of old concrete steps, with a mass of about 2.5 metric tonnes (i.e., 2500 kg), which needed to be dragged across the yard. One way to make the job easier was to rig a block-and-tackle, which consisted of two pulleys. I used a thick rope to tie one pulley to the stairs to be moved. I used another thick rope to tie the other pulley to a large tree. Then, I threaded a thin rope around each pulley twice, as sketched below. Unfortunately, the thin rope was only rated for a maximum tension of 80 lbs., which is 356N. Beyond this point, it began stretching without the tension increasing very much, so let us assume that the maximum rated tension is applied to the thin rope.
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  1. Consider the pulley that is tied to the stairs. If the pulleys are all frictionless, what is the tension in the thin rope at points A, B, C, and D?
  2. In view of your answer to part a), draw a free-body diagram for the pulley. (Hint: how many strands of rope are pulling it to the right, and how many ropes are pulling it to the left? You may assume all ropes are approximately horizontal). What must be the tension in the thick rope at point E?
  3. Continue to assume that the maximum tension is applied to the thin rope. If the steps are to be dragged at a constant velocity over level ground, what is the maximum allowable coefficient of friction between the steps and the ground?
  4. Suppose now that the coefficient of friction is actually 0.15. The maximum amount of tension is still applied to the thin rope. How much additional force, directed horizontally, must be applied towards in order to drag the steps at constant velocity, and is that additional force to the right, or to the left?

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Newtons laws

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Ok so I don't know if I got these right but my attempt was this so far.

1. So I think A,B,C,D should be the same so I got t=mg/4 =(2500kg*9.80(m/s^2))/4 = 6125 N.
2. My attempt at the FBD pic below The Tension in point E should just be the sum right? So it would be 24500 N.
3. This is where I am stuck Here is where I am at on it. So I don't If I am doing this right or not.

Any help is greatly appreciated.
 

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1. & 2. Doesn't the problem give you the tension in the thin rope at one end? Wouldn't the answers in 1) and 2) be based on this?

3. Is the block accelerating?

4. Is the additional force being applied on the block directly?
 
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Oh, so for 1) the Tension should just be 89N each. And then for 3) the u_k = Tension in E/ mg.
 
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That sounds better.
 
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And for the last part I am a little stumped. The additional force would be to the right, but I can not figure out how to actually show that.
 
Do the same thing as you did in part 3. Make an assumption about the direction and see what answer you get.
 
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Thanks for the help! The only thing I screwed up was the first part. It was 356N. For some reason I divided it by 4, but everything else was right.
 

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