Foreign Accent syndrome baffles medical experts

  • Context: Medical 
  • Thread starter Thread starter Ivan Seeking
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Medical
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of Foreign Accent Syndrome, particularly in the context of a case involving a woman who developed a French accent following a stroke. Participants explore various theories regarding the neurological mechanisms behind this condition, its implications for understanding language acquisition, and the nature of accents in general.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the condition may provide insights into how the brain processes language and accent acquisition, particularly in non-native speakers.
  • Others express curiosity about whether the accents are genuine or merely coincidental, proposing that the brain may revert to pre-existing speech patterns post-stroke.
  • A few participants propose alternative explanations, such as the possibility of the individual having a hidden background related to the accent or that head trauma could lead to changes in speech without creating a true foreign accent.
  • Some argue that the perception of a foreign accent could be a result of physical damage affecting speech production, rather than an indication of language proficiency.
  • There is a discussion about the neurological underpinnings of accents, questioning whether they are arbitrary or if the brain has a tendency to adopt specific pronunciation patterns.
  • Participants mention the complexity of speech production, noting that damage to the brain can affect various muscles involved in speaking, potentially leading to altered speech characteristics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the nature of Foreign Accent Syndrome. Multiple competing views are presented regarding the causes and implications of the condition, with some emphasizing neurological factors and others suggesting alternative explanations.

Contextual Notes

Limitations in understanding the specific brain damage involved and the complexity of speech production are noted. The discussion highlights the uncertainty surrounding the neurological basis of accents and the implications for language learning and recovery post-injury.

  • #31
Ivan Seeking said:
Yes, but it does make me wonder about the origins of accents in the first place. Could this be related in that different areas of the brain are responsible for the different speech patterns, that later evolved into modern languages and dialects?
When you learn to speak a language you get used to how and where you place your tongue, form your lips, and the emphasis you put on words or syllables, and that "style" carries over when you try to pronounce words in another language, and this is what causes similar sounding "accents". When I was learning Italian, I had to learn to place my tongue in a different place when pronouncing certain letters to remove the American "sound". Same letter, two distinctively different sounds. I remember having to look at the tongue diagrams to help me pronounce the words correctly since my tongue would automatically hit my palate at the right place for the American sound. It was very interesting.

I could see where brain damage could cause you to forget or confuse what you've learned.
 
Biology news on Phys.org
  • #32
http://www.cerebromente.org.br/n17/mente/brain-development.htm

This presents two models for language utilization in the brain, which are age-dependent.
The idea is that different areas in the brain can be used for languages learned later on than for those languages learned at infancy.

The person may have damage in the primary language area and is having to use another secondary area, with less success.
 
  • #33
Ivan Seeking said:
This was in the news so I thought I would give the thread a bump.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=6241218
In the movie it seemed obvious that all three of the women affected were perfectly cognizant of the fact their voices had changed and that they sounded as if they were speaking with this accent. They could hear themselves speaking, and they could distinguish the fact they were speaking abnormally. Also, it sounded as if they realized the unintelligable words they were speaking weren't 'normal' and in fact the one woman describes it as "she didn't know what they were speaking, or how long it was going to last" My interpretation is that she seemed to know what it was she wanted her mouth to say but it just didn't come out right, something like Evo suggested here:
When you learn to speak a language you get used to how and where you place your tongue, form your lips, and the emphasis you put on words or syllables, and that "style" carries over when you try to pronounce words in another language, and this is what causes similar sounding "accents". When I was learning Italian, I had to learn to place my tongue in a different place when pronouncing certain letters to remove the American "sound". Same letter, two distinctively different sounds. I remember having to look at the tongue diagrams to help me pronounce the words correctly since my tongue would automatically hit my palate at the right place for the American sound. It was very interesting.

I could see where brain damage could cause you to forget or confuse what you've learned.

Why is that interesting? Because the standard paradigm of mind assumes that our mental experiences are an emergent property of the entire brain (or close to it). But in this case, there was no difference with the 'input' (ie: they heard everything fine, didn’t complain about any visual or other experiences) nor with any phenomenal experience as best we can tell. The only variation was with the 'output' (what the mouth and vocal cords were doing).

Can we then conclude that this Broca area has no affect on our phenomenal experience? In other words, the Broca area of the brain is NOT part of the brain that creates this "emergent phenomena" we know as 'experience'.

I think so. And I wonder if there isn’t a list that one could compile that indicated similar areas that had no affect on phenomenal experience.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 25 ·
Replies
25
Views
3K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
5K
Replies
15
Views
5K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
4K