Foreign Policies & National Self-Interest

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The discussion revolves around the topic of foreign policies and national self-interest, particularly during the interwar and Cold War periods. Participants explore the extent to which nations should base their foreign policies on national self-interest versus other principles, considering historical examples and implications for essay writing in an academic context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks help for an essay on foreign policies based on national self-interest, expressing confusion about how to structure their arguments.
  • Another participant mentions "realpolitik" as a relevant concept, suggesting historical examples like Bismarck's policies.
  • Some participants argue that principles not strictly in national interest may still serve national interests in intent.
  • Suggestions for specific historical incidents or policies are provided, including the Marshall Plan and various wars, with a focus on motivations behind these actions.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential bias of the essay topic, questioning whether it is designed to critique U.S. policies specifically.
  • Discussion includes the distinction between short-term and long-term self-interest, with examples illustrating how altruistic actions may have underlying selfish motivations.
  • Some participants emphasize the need for a balanced perspective in international politics, cautioning against an American-centric view in the context of IB assignments.
  • There is a suggestion that the essay could focus on nations other than the U.S., with examples from Canadian history provided as alternatives.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the motivations behind foreign policies, with no consensus on whether nations should prioritize self-interest or other principles. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these perspectives for the essay topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the broad nature of the topic, highlighting the need to define key terms and concepts. There is also mention of the potential for varying interpretations based on national perspectives, particularly in relation to the U.S. and Canada.

kks23
If I could get help for an essay on this topic I would appreciate it very much because I have absolutely no idea what to write about:

During the interwar and Cold War periods, many nations pursued foreign policies based strictly on the principle of national self-interest. Other nations were more willing to pursue foreign policies based on principles other than those perceived to be strictly in their national self interest.

To what extent should nations base their foreign policies on national self-interest?
 
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One word: realpolitik. (If this is for IB World History, you'll probably be getting to European history pre-WWI, and especially the unification of Germany--Bismarck--and Italy--Cavour).
 
I would argue that most principles ostensibly not strictly in national interest were, in fact, strictly in national interest (in intent, at least).
 
thanks guys, it somewhat helps.
i'm just confused as to what to focus on
in each of my body paragraphs!
 
Yay IB! Although I never took history (I was econ SL). 'Should''s in a situation like this are completely irrelevant. National leaderships have always acted entirely in the name of the personal interests of the leadership and the perceived national self-interest (Bismark's Realpolitik as has been pointed out). The only 'curiosity', for lack of a better word, is the fact that for some nations, in their situation at the time, that a policy resembling 'idealism' was actually in their self-interest. Put your finger on what that was and I'd say you'd have a rocking essay.
 
kks23 said:
thanks guys, it somewhat helps.
i'm just confused as to what to focus on
in each of my body paragraphs!
It's an extremely broad topic. There basically giving you an open door to discuss just most of what foreign policy is and everything from the past 60 years! So pick some specific incidents/countries/concepts and go with them.

Some possibilities:

Marshall Plan: why (what was the motivation)?
Korean/Vietnam/Afghan war(s): why?
Israel/Iraq/Iran support by the US: why?
Creation, joining of, support for the UN: why?

Try to find reasonf why they were and why they weren't motivated by self-interest.
 
russ_watters said:
It's an extremely broad topic. There basically giving you an open door to discuss just most of what foreign policy is and everything from the past 60 years! So pick some specific incidents/countries/concepts and go with them.

Some possibilities:

Marshall Plan: why (what was the motivation)?
Korean/Vietnam/Afghan war(s): why?
Israel/Iraq/Iran support by the US: why?
Creation, joining of, support for the UN: why?

Try to find reasonf why they were and why they weren't motivated by self-interest.

I'd just like to point out that that's an extremely american perspective. Which may be just the ticket if you're american and/or you know the marker is american. Otherwise that may not be a great essay for the "international baccalaureate"
 
For example, as a Canadian who did IB I'd imagine common topics I could make a case for:

-The emergence of Canada as a middle power and peacekeeping force after WWI
-Growing Canadian identity at the end of the 19th century
-English-French relations in Canada
-Canada's roll in the league of nations.

etc. but I imagine in something like IB world history they're looking for a somewhat 'broader' perspective on things.
 
kks23 said:
If I could get help for an essay on this topic I would appreciate it very much because I have absolutely no idea what to write about:

During the interwar and Cold War periods, many nations pursued foreign policies based strictly on the principle of national self-interest. Other nations were more willing to pursue foreign policies based on principles other than those perceived to be strictly in their national self interest.

To what extent should nations base their foreign policies on national self-interest?


I would argue that in the long run, self interests and principles consequences are not mutually exclusive i.e. the consequences from self interests are similar to what you would get based on principals (ethics).
 
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kks23 said:
...Other nations were more willing to pursue foreign policies based on principles other than those perceived to be strictly in their national self interest.

Is this a premise to be taken without question, or do you have examples of nations, by evidence, enacting polices other than self interest? A question of greater depth would be to ask, rather than nations, do you have examples of the ruling coalition of a nation not enacting policies in other than self interest of the ruling coalition of that nation?

Is this a class assignment designed as a hit-piece on the United States based on false premises, to which I have alluded to above, rather than reasoned argument? It speaks to an aroma of which I have become familiar.
 
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An important thing to keep in mind is long term versus short term self interest. For example, if an ally gets attacked by a superior enemy, short term it may be better to just sit by and watch, long term it would be better to help fight (probably). Other less contrived examples probably are similar. So what may appear to be altruistic (fighting an enemy for the sake of saving an ally) in the long term is entirely 'selfish'
 
  • #12
Phrak said:
Is this a class assignment designed as a hit-piece on the United States

Canadians are generally taught to hate the US/US policies IMO.
 
  • #13
rootX said:
Canadians are generally taught to hate the US/US policies IMO.


The Canadian bit was my own addition to point out that schools that are IB expected a much more balanced perspective on international politics not just america centric. We have no idea what the OP's nationality is but if they're IB they could be a paraguayan writing an essay that will be read by a phillipino. And no, the Canadian gov't is not naive enough to fill a curriculum with anti-american propaganda but all countries that aren't american tend not to have the same inflated perception of american importance that americans do. Yes it's a super power, yes its got a huge economy but not every essay worth writing is on american foreign policy. A lot of countries other than the states and the soviets took part/were effected by the cold war. After all, james bond was BRITISH not american.
 
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maverick_starstrider said:
The Canadian bit was my own addition to point out that schools that are IB expected a much more balanced perspective on international politics not just america centric. We have no idea what the OP's nationality is but if they're IB they could be a paraguayan writing an essay that will be read by a phillipino. And no, the Canadian gov't is not naive enough to fill a curriculum with anti-american propaganda but all countries that aren't american tend not to have the same inflated perception of american importance that americans do. Yes it's a super power, yes its got a huge economy but not every essay worth writing is on american foreign policy. A lot of countries other than the states and the soviets took part/were effected by the cold war. After all, james bond was BRITISH not american.

I don't see why an IB essay couldn't focus on a particular nation. As an American, I did my essay on Canada. But why not?
 
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kks23 said:
thanks guys, it somewhat helps.
i'm just confused as to what to focus on
in each of my body paragraphs!

Maybe we're starting to fight proxy battles with you as the battleground (just like the cold war... or not?) We can't tell you what to write; that's up to you (as is the case with other homework / projects on this forum.

What is this for? Is this for an AP or IB History Class? An in-class essay? A term project? How many words are you supposed to write?

As with most history class projects, you should first start by defining what the question means. No, not figuring it out, defining what it means, and is going to mean for the purposes of your paper (these are usually crafted purposefully broad so that you have latitude, and so that the poor teacher / marker doesn't end up with 30 or 100 identical term papers--but still consult with them in case you're taking an overly loose interpretation). And then take a position.

After that, I'd suggesting you use what you've learned in class / your readings as a starting point into your paper (or talking with your teacher / prof and asking them if they have some recommended readings / historians), and supplement that with historiography from other historians which support / oppose your view (thesis + antithesis = synthesis).
 
  • #16
I think MATLABdude is definitely on the helpful track. My point wasn't that an IB essay couldn't be on the american perspective but simply that if one isn't american then a question of the cold war does not immediately imply america's perspective.
 
  • #17
maverick_starstrider said:
My point wasn't that an IB essay couldn't be on the american perspective but simply that if one isn't american then a question of the cold war does not immediately imply america's perspective.
I think it does. The cold war was a conflict between the USSR and the US. The involvement of other countries was only peripheral to those two primary combatants. And the OP wouldn't be in here asking the question if they were enough of a student of history to be investigating peripheral involvement

[edit] One thing though - I misunderstood the term "interwar period". I was thinking about the time between WWII and the Korean war (the "postwar period") - it was actually the time between WWI and WWII. And that time period was characterized by more balanced international politics.
 
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maverick_starstrider said:
My point wasn't that an IB essay couldn't be on the american perspective but simply that if one isn't american then a question of the cold war does not immediately imply america's perspective.
True.

The statement in the OP is "During the interwar and Cold War periods, many nations pursued foreign policies . . . .". The interwar period ostensibly means between the Great War (WWI) and World War II, those being the two big 'international' wars. The Cold War period is after WWII - through about 1991.

The interwar period (1918–1939) is understood, within recent Western culture, to be the period between the end of the First World War and the beginning of the Second World War. This is also called the period between the wars or interbellum.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interwar_period

Search "Interwar Period" on Google and see what one finds.

Cold war is probably viewed primarily as a conflict/competition of US vs USSR, or capitalism vs communism. But don't forget the ascendancy of China, or Japan, S. Korea, SE Asia, India, Brazil, movement of non-aligned nations, OPEC, . . . . .

One could even look at the G7/G8 or G20 nations, or OECD, for trends in different nations.

I don't think there is any nation that doesn't pursue a policy not influenced by self-interest. Security and economics/trade are the two big interests.
 
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rootX said:
Canadians are generally taught to hate the US/US policies IMO.

Re: US-hate education. So are Americans. Have you taken any undergrade liberal arts classes lately--in say, the last 10 to 15 years?
 

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