Form the differential Equation from the following equation

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The discussion revolves around forming a differential equation from the given polynomial equation y = ax³ + bx². Participants are exploring the relationship between the polynomial and its derivatives in the context of differential equations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to differentiate the polynomial twice to eliminate arbitrary constants but expresses uncertainty about the next steps. Some participants suggest that the problem relates to Euler equations and discuss the form of solutions, while others question the understanding of the variable "n" and the method being pursued.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing insights into the nature of Euler equations and the expected form of solutions. There is a mix of understanding and confusion regarding the concepts involved, and no consensus has been reached on a single method to approach the problem.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note a lack of familiarity with Euler equations and the specific values of "n," which are crucial for forming the differential equation. The original poster seeks alternative methods to solve the problem, indicating a desire for simpler approaches.

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Homework Statement



y= a x3 + b x2

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There are two arb. constants, so I differentiated it twice. I couldn't guess what next to do. I Need your help!
 
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Hmm. Looks like an Euler equation to me, these can be put into the form:
[tex] a_{1}x^{2}\frac{d^{2}y}{dx^{2}}+a_{2}x\frac{dy}{dx}+a_{3}y=0[/tex]
The solutions of this are of the form:
[tex] y=x^{n}[/tex]
So all you have to do (as you know the values for n) is relate the values of n to the solution.
 
Thanks for your quick reply! But I don't know Euler equation, nor the value of n. I even don't know what actually "n" is here. After researching a bit on internet, looking some examples from my book I can only make out that we have to differentiate, add, subtract or whatever we can do to strike out those constants. Can we solve it by the method I'm trying to stat?
 
@hunt-mat, can you explain it more clearly
 
Okay, baby steps, the value of n, is either 2 or 3, these are the solutions of your soon to be derived differential equation
[tex] y=x^{n},\quad x\frac{dy}{dx}=nx^{n},\quad x^{2}\frac{d^{2}y}{dx^{2}}=n(n-1)x^{2}[/tex]
The sum of these three terms must sum to zero:
so
[tex] a_{1}x^{2}\frac{d^{2}y}{dx^{2}}+a_{2}x\frac{dy}{dx}+a_{3}y=[a_{1}n(n-1)+a_{2}n+a_{3}]x^{n}[/tex]
This will give the quadratic in n as follows:
[tex] a_{1}n^{2}+(a_{2}-a_{1})n+a_{3}=0[/tex]
But you know that the solution of the above quadratic in n should be 2 and 3, the quadratic for that is (n-2)(n-3)=n^{2}-5n+6=0, so compare that with the quadratic we derived to find the a_{1}, a_{2} and a_{3}. The differential equation you will be after will be:
[tex] a_{1}x^{2}\frac{d^{2}y}{dx^{2}}+a_{2}x\frac{dy}{dx }+a_{3}y=0[/tex]
 
anybody here to help me solve this question with any other way, preferably with some easy method.
 
There is no other way really, the differential equation that you seek is an Euler equation of the form I posted, the epecific equation that you seek is:
[tex] x^{2}\frac{d^{2}y}{dx^{2}}-4x\frac{dy}{dx}+6y=0[/tex]
The way to solve this equation, is to look for solutions of the form y=x^{n}, you substitute this into the equation and you will obtain a quadratic in n, solve this quadratic and you will note that you have two solutions, this is a linear equation so you can multiply the solution by numbers and you can add the solutions together, this is where you obtain your original function from.
 

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