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The discussion revolves around the formation of hyperbolas through the intersection of a plane with a double cone. Participants are exploring whether a hyperbola can be formed when the intersecting plane is not parallel to the vertical axis of the cone, as most illustrations typically depict this scenario.

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  • Participants are questioning the conditions under which a hyperbola is formed, particularly focusing on the orientation of the intersecting plane. There is a discussion about whether a non-parallel plane can still yield a symmetrical hyperbola.

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The conversation includes differing viewpoints on the nature of the intersection. Some participants assert that a non-parallel plane does not yield a hyperbola, while others maintain that it can still be symmetrical. There is an exploration of various cases, including degenerate conics.

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Participants reference common illustrations and examples, noting the absence of cases where the plane is tilted or vertical, which may affect the understanding of conic sections.

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My question. When studying conics, the parabola circle, and ellipse can be easily see by passing a plane through a double cone. The hyperbola is generated when the plane is passed through the double cone where it passes through the top and the bottom cone. My question is, does the plane make a hyperbola if the plane is not parallel to the vertical axis of the cone? It seems that most illustrations show the plane parallel to the vertical axis. If the plane is not parallel to the vertical, is the intersection a symmetrical hyperbola?

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barryj said:
If the plane is not parallel to the vertical, is the intersection a symmetrical hyperbola?
Nope. It'll be one of the other conic sections (circle, ellipse, or parabola).
 
If the plane intersects the cone in two separate curves then it's a hyperbola. And, yes, it's symmetrical (even if it might seem like it wouldn't be).
 
barryj said:

Homework Statement


My question. When studying conics, the parabola circle, and ellipse can be easily see by passing a plane through a double cone. The hyperbola is generated when the plane is passed through the double cone where it passes through the top and the bottom cone. My question is, does the plane make a hyperbola if the plane is not parallel to the vertical axis of the cone? It seems that most illustrations show the plane parallel to the vertical axis. If the plane is not parallel to the vertical, is the intersection a symmetrical hyperbola?

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irrelevant

The Attempt at a Solution


See, eg.,
http://lh6.ggpht.com/-QlPR2LJwMIo/SwG06HzEfcI/AAAAAAAAAEA/Pp7RaURjYXg/s1280/conic%20sections.jpg
 
Funny how they never seem to show the case where the plane is vertical and contains the centerline of the cone. That yields the so-called straight-line or "degenerate" orbits where the body on orbit moves in a straight line either directly into or away from the central body.

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Yes, and I have never seen where the plan is tilted a bit. A previous answer says it is still a hyperbola. The equation above shows a tilted plane.
 

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