Foster and Nightingale's introduction to relativity

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The discussion revolves around the evaluation of different editions of Foster and Nightingale's introduction to relativity, with a focus on the differences in notation and content across editions. Participants also share their experiences with other general relativity texts and their preferences for learning materials.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Goldbeetle inquires about the differences between the first edition and the later editions of Foster and Nightingale's book, noting the shift to traditional index notation.
  • One participant recommends the third edition for its completeness and updates, highlighting new sections and the restoration of mathematical content from the first edition.
  • Goldbeetle expresses difficulty in choosing among the many available books on general relativity.
  • Another participant suggests selecting one primary book for study and a few secondary sources for additional perspectives.
  • A participant shares their experience with Hartle's book, mentioning its succinct treatment of special relativity and their enjoyment of other texts like "A Traveller's Guide to Spacetime" and "Spacetime Physics."
  • Concerns are raised about the usability of many physics and math books, with a participant commenting on their terse nature and questioning their effectiveness as learning tools.
  • Another participant recommends Carroll's book as a good complement to the existing texts and mentions Rindler's book for its insights, despite its unique style and notation.

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Participants express varying opinions on the best edition of Foster and Nightingale's book and the most effective learning resources for general relativity. There is no consensus on a single preferred text or approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss personal preferences and experiences with different texts, indicating that individual learning styles may influence their choices. The discussion reflects a variety of approaches to studying general relativity, with no definitive recommendations established.

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Readers interested in learning about general relativity, particularly those seeking recommendations for textbooks and study strategies.

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Dear all,
I've read that this is a good introduction. I also read that the first edition is much different from the the second an third. The reason is that
last two ones are written in more traditional index notation. Which one would you suggest. I'm not "afraid" of the index free notation.

Thanks,
Goldbeetle
 
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Goldbeetle said:
Dear all,
I've read that this is a good introduction. I also read that the first edition is much different from the the second an third. The reason is that
last two ones are written in more traditional index notation. Which one would you suggest. I'm not "afraid" of the index free notation.

Thanks,
Goldbeetle

The third edition, since it is more complete and up-to-date, and since it includes the mathematics from the first edition that was left out of the second edition.

From

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0387260781/?tag=pfamazon01-20
This new third edition has been updated to take account of fresh observational evidence and experiments. It includes new sections on the Kerr solution (in Chapter 4) and cosmological speeds of recession (in Chapter 6). A more mathematical treatment of tensors and manifolds, included in the 1st edition, but omitted in the 2nd edition, has been restored in an appendix. Also included are two additional appendixes – "Special Relativity Review" and "The Chinese Connection" - and outline solutions to all exercises and problems, making it especially suitable for private study.
 
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Thanks a lot! I should have read the amazon presentation better. Thank you for your time.

General comment: there are so many books on general relativity that it is very difficult to choose.
 
Goldbeetle said:
General comment: there are so many books on general relativity that it is very difficult to choose.

Yes, there are many, many books on general relativity. If you are trying to learn general relativity on your own, I suggest that you pick one book to follow closely, and a couple more as secondary sources.

I think that in another thread, you said that you have looked at Hartle. Any comments (the good, the bad, and the ugly)?
 
Yes, I have Hartle's book (and also D'Inverno's.) The initial review of special relativity is a bit too succinct. So I'm reading "A Traveller's Guide to Spacetime" (that I absolutely love!) and "Spacetime Physics". I'm also reading the books by Bachmann and Weintraub as introduction to differential forms (both excellent), the book by Goldberg and Bishop (rigorous) and Lovelock's book on tensors (a lot of indexes but very, very good). Self studying on my spare time is tough but I feel more and more independent.
Even if I'm working very much on differential geometry, I prefer the "physics first" approach in order to boost my motivation with some concrete examples!

Side notes: while browsing some many math and physics books, I have the feeling that most of the books are not meant to be used as "learning-by-reading" tools. Most of them seem to have been in their previous lives very terse lecture notes. Am I too mean? :-D
 
I think Carroll would be the best complement to the books you have.

I'm also very fond of Rindler's book, which is full of wonderful insights, but both his style and notation are idiosyncratic compared to the other books.
 

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