Foucault Pendulum: Force & Motion Analysis

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This problem involves the analysis of a Foucault pendulum, focusing on the forces acting on it due to the Earth's rotation and the associated potential energy. The original poster discusses the equations of motion, including terms for Coriolis and centrifugal forces, and expresses the problem using complex notation to simplify the coupled differential equations.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the equations of motion for the pendulum and expresses them in complex form. Some participants suggest checking external derivations for guidance, while others question the correctness of the expressions and the initial conditions used.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of the equations and seeking clarification on the initial conditions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of complex notation and the nature of the forces involved, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or final form of the solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential confusion regarding the orientation of axes and the angular velocity components. There is also mention of the need to consider specific initial conditions for the pendulum's motion.

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This problem is about the Foucault pendulum. It is a mass, m, attached to a cable that does not restrict the motion. So it is sensitive to centrifugal and coriolis forces.

The first part states that it has a potential ## V = \frac{m \omega_0^2}{2}(x^2 + y^2)## and to find the force associated with that. To me this is a hint that you are going to use the equation

## m \ddot{\vec{r}}= \vec{F} - 2 m \vec{\omega} \times (\vec{\omega} \times \vec{r})-m \vec{\omega}\times\vec{\dot{r}} ##

The Earth rotates at ## \omega## ccw. The pendulum is located at the North pole and the co-ordinate axes are such that x points 90 degrees longitude and y 180 degrees longitude. I don't really understand how this makes a difference.

I decided that ## \vec{\omega}=\omega \vec{\hat{k}} ## which I am unsure about.

So for the above equation, since ## \vec{F} = -\nabla V ## and after some computation/approximation, i.e. ## \dot{z} ## is small.

## m \ddot{\vec{r}}= \vec{F} - 2 m \vec{\omega} \times (\vec{\omega} \times \vec{r})-m \vec{\omega}\times\vec{\dot{r}} \Rightarrow##

## \ddot{x} = \omega_0 x + \omega^2 x + 2\omega \dot{y} ##

## \ddot{y} = \omega_0 y + \omega^2 y - 2 \omega \dot{x} ##

Which seem OK for now.

Then we're given the hint to use ## \zeta(t) = x(t) + i y(t) ## to simplify things and hopefully turn it into a SHO problem with damping. Multiply the second equation by ##i##

## \ddot{x} + i\ddot{y} = \omega_0(x+i y) +\omega^2(x+i y) + 2\omega(\dot{y}-i\dot{x}) ##

## \ddot{\zeta} =(\omega_0^2+\omega^2) \zeta - 2\omega i \dot{\zeta} ##

Then plug in ## \zeta = \exp(\alpha t) ## get ##\alpha= \omega-\sqrt{\omega_0^2-\omega^2}## and from here it doesn't really get anywhere near the answer given.

First I assume that ##\omega^2 ## is really small.

## \zeta(t) = c_1 \exp(i (\omega + \omega_0) t) + c_2 \exp(i \omega - \omega_0)t) ##

But we are required to show that:

## \zeta(t) = e^{-i \omega t}\left[ \zeta(0) \left( \cos(\omega_0 t) + i\frac{\omega }{\omega_0}\sin(\omega_0 t)\right)+\frac{\dot{\zeta(0)}}{\omega} \sin (\omega_0 t) \right] ##

But I have no idea how to do this. I think that possibly I have made a mistake with the orientation of my axes or the angular velocity components. Any help would be appreciated!
 
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Gregg said:
This problem is about the Foucault pendulum. [...] The pendulum is located at the North pole [...]

I suggest you check out Joe Wolfe's derivation of the foucault pendulum precession

Like in the hints you've been given Joe Wolfe uses complex number notation to express the two coupled differential equations as a single equation. (In fact, I suspect the hints you've been given were inspired by that very derivation.)
By comparing you may well find where you go awry.

Joe Wolfe's derivation is for the more general case of any latitude. For the polar pendulum case the equations are simpler.Some general remarks.
A frictionless pendulum will have an equation of motion that is a function of position and acceleration, but no term with velocity.
When friction is approximated as proportional to velocity then the equation of motion will include a term with velocity.

The two coupled equations (of motion) of a foucault pendulum have likewise a term with velocity. (But in the foucault pendulum case the associated acceleration is at right angles to the velocity vector.)
 
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Our solutions are identical up until the point where

## \ddot{\zeta} + 2i \omega \dot{\zeta } +\omega^2 \zeta = 0 ##

But I have no idea how to get to the final answer.
 
Cleonis said:
I suggest you check out Joe Wolfe's derivation of the foucault pendulum precession

As it turns out that was not good advice at all.
The last expressions on that page are messed up terribly.

I will use the following notation: the uppercase Omega (Ω) for the angular velocity of the Earth, and the lowercase omega (ω) for the period of the pendulum.

## \ddot{\zeta} + 2i \Omega \dot{\zeta } +\omega^2 \zeta = 0 ##

In the case where Ω=0 the equation reduces to the equation of motion for a pendulum with natural frequency ω.

In the above equation of motion only the Coriolis term is a function of the Earth's angular velocity. The term with ω squared relates to the period of the pendulum.

As to the final form you want/need to arrive at:
Clearly that has been elaborated to explicitly include starting conditions.
That expression becomes simpler for the case of releasing the pendulum parallel to the y-axis, and with zero initial velocity.

I haven't checked whether there are mistakes in that expression. I guess you shouldn't rely on it. If there are mistakes in it you'll have to find the correct form.

For comparison material I guess you need to dig around. Maybe with combinations of search terms such as 'foucault pendulum' 'derivation' 'complex', to try and find other derivations that use this method of casting the equation in complex number notation.
 
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I don't really understand how to put the initial conditions in and get that final answer.
 

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