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Homework Help: Four Bugs Differential Equation

  1. Mar 13, 2010 #1
    1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

    Four bugs are walking on a flat surface. They start at the four points (1,1), (1,-1), (-1,1), and (-1,-1) and begin walking counterclockwise, each one following the next. Show that the motion of bug A, who starts at (1,1), satisfies the equation [tex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex]= [tex]\frac{y-x}{x-y}[/tex] and solve using an appropriate substitution.

    2. Relevant equations

    After some extensive research, I've found the same problem on another website (http://legacy.lclark.edu/~istavrov/diffeq-revsheet1-09.pdf)
    that states the motion of the bug starting from (1,-1) satisfies [tex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex]= [tex]\frac{y-x}{x+y}[/tex] and that each bugs motion can be shown by the graph: 4bs.png .

    3. The attempt at a solution
    A hint from the website, as well as from my teacher, was given saying that y=ux would be the most viable substitution. So starting there I have
    [tex]y=ux => dy=xdu + udx[/tex]
    [tex]\frac{xdu + udx}{dx}[/tex] = [tex]\frac{ux-x}{x-ux}[/tex]

    which after some algebra leads me to:
    [tex](x-xu+u)du[/tex]= [tex](u^{2}+u-1)dx[/tex]
    This is where I'm stuck, and it doesn't even help me with the first part about proving WHY dy/dx is what it is (i have ideas floating around in my head but nothings clicking yet or coming together in any meaningful way). Any and all help is greatly appreciated!
     
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  3. Mar 13, 2010 #2

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    Are you sure the equation for the first part is right? Because [tex] \frac{y-x}{x-y}=-1[/tex] which doesn't make for a very interesting differential equation
     
  4. Mar 17, 2010 #3
    Yes that is how he had it written, but why did you put it equal to -1?
     
  5. Mar 18, 2010 #4
    Also let it be noted that the graph I included obviously isn't correct cause it needs to be rotated 45 degrees
     
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