MHB Four Non-Linear Simultaneous Equations

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The discussion revolves around solving four non-linear simultaneous equations involving the variables u, v, w, and r. Sudharaka provides approximate solutions for these variables, indicating that u is approximately -166.26 or 260, v is -110.82 or 104, r is -29.67 or 520, and w is -81.99 or 65. Another participant expresses interest in finding a manual method to solve these equations rather than relying on brute force. They analyze the function related to the first equation, concluding that for real solutions, r must be at least 520, which aligns with Sudharaka's findings. The discussion highlights the complexity of the equations and the challenge of deriving solutions by hand.
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4 equations, 4 unknowns:

\[\frac{u(r^2 - u^2)}{r^2 + u^2}=156~~~~~~~~~~(1)\]
\[\frac{v(r^2 - v^2)}{r^2 + v^2} = 96~~~~~~~~~(2)\]
\[\frac{w(r^2 - w^2)}{r^2 + w^2} = 63~~~~~~~~~~(3)\]
\[\frac{315uvw + 24336vw + 9216uw + 3969uv}{2r} = 943488~~~~~~~~~(4)\]

Who can solve that mess?
 
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Wilmer said:
4 equations, 4 unknowns:

u(r^2 - u^2) / (r^2 + u^2) = 156 [1]
v(r^2 - v^2) / (r^2 + v^2) = 96 [2]
w(r^2 - w^2) / (r^2 + w^2) = 63 [3]
(315uvw + 24336vw + 9216uw + 3969uv) / (2r) = 943488 [4]

Who can solve that mess?

Hi Wilmer, :)

If you are only concerned about real roots these are the solutions Maxima gives. Note that the first one is only an approximate.\[u=-166.2623906705539,v=-110.8238636363636,r=-29.66972878390201,w=-81.98732171156894\]

\[u=260,v=104,r=520,w=65\]

Kind Regards,
Sudharaka.
 
Sudharaka said:
\[u=260,v=104,r=520,w=65\]
Hi Suds!
Yes, that's correct: I had this one solved,
but by brute force.

All I'm trying to do is find a way to solve
this "by hand".
 
Wilmer said:
Hi Suds!
Yes, that's correct: I had this one solved,
but by brute force.

All I'm trying to do is find a way to solve
this "by hand".
I think that I may have been part way towards finding Sudharaka's solution "by hand". I was looking at the function $f(x) = \dfrac{x(1-x^2)}{1+x^2}.$ For positive values of $x$, this has a maximum value of 3/10, which occurs when $x=1/2.$

Your equation (1) says that $f(u/r) = 156/r.$ This tells you that $156/r\leqslant 3/10$, or $r\geqslant 520.$ Also, the value $r=520$ can only occur if $u=520/2=260$. I was going to explore this further, to see if there were values of $v$ and $w$ compatible with those values of $r$ and $u$, but Sudharaka got there first.
 
Background info, in case useful:
Code:
              C
 
 
        D                     E
              U          V                    
                   M
                   
                   W
                   
B                  F                        A
Acute triangle ABC: M is circumcenter.
U, V and W are the incenters of triangles BCM, ACM and ABM respectively:
and DM, EM and FM are the perpendicular heights.

NOT GIVENS: a = BC = 624, b = AC = 960, c = AB = 1008, r = 520 = AM=BM=CM.
NOT GIVENS: u = UM = 260, v = VM = 104, w = WM = 65.
GIVENS: d = DU = 156, e = EV = 96, f = FW = 63.

Work to set up the 4 equations:
a = 2dr / u , b = 2er / b , c = 2fr / w

from triangleBCM: u(r^2 - u^2) / (r^2 + u^2) = d [1]
from triangleACM: v(r^2 - v^2) / (r^2 + v^2) = e [2]
from triangleABM: w(r^2 - w^2) / (r^2 + w^2) = f [3]

area(BCM + ACM + ABM) = areaABC; leads to :
[uvw(d + e + f) + vwd^2 + uwe^2 + uvf^2] / (2r) = def [4]

Inserting the givens gives us:
u(r^2 - u^2) / (r^2 + u^2) = 156 [1]
v(r^2 - v^2) / (r^2 + v^2) = 96 [2]
w(r^2 - w^2) / (r^2 + w^2) = 63 [3]
(315uvw + 24336vw + 9216uw + 3969uv) / (2r) = 943488 [4]

I'm simply curious as to the possibility of solving these 4 simultaneous equations.
 
Here is a little puzzle from the book 100 Geometric Games by Pierre Berloquin. The side of a small square is one meter long and the side of a larger square one and a half meters long. One vertex of the large square is at the center of the small square. The side of the large square cuts two sides of the small square into one- third parts and two-thirds parts. What is the area where the squares overlap?

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